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Never mind the salaries the pension liability is my concern ,which goes way beyond salary earnings
It was one of the very first discussion points placed on the table in front of the UK , not Trade, not the Irish Border,Free movement, nope what will the UK contribute as part of their CONTINUED pension liability .
I just can't imagine ,certain political minded folk accepting this , if it was a fat cat banker ,rich old Tory , some old rich capitalist ( and rightly so )
We should be even handed with all excessive spends ,especially when its tax payers money ,funding them .
My battle bus would have shown the incredible liability of wages , buildings , pensions to the ordinary tax payers in Europe :
32 thousand people plus expenses ( I bet not many on minimum wage)
EU's total pension liabilities are £35.8 billion
€1.756 billion euros per year running costs .
Now there's a real socialist battle ground argument to be had , and one I'd enjoy AND SUPPORT ???
I read today that the Royal college of Nursing, British medical association and the Royal College of Midwives are against Brexit.
Then you have Nigel Farage, Arron Banks Boris Johnson and Liam Fox.
Says it all for me.
Are you annoyed about our cut or the absolute level?
If it is the former then surely this is just a sum and part of the negotiation and if it is the latter then you should have raised it years ago...
Did you think it would be cheap to run a supranational organisation that does our bidding around the world???
I know it might sound strange but the the amount of financial liability we agree to pay the EU is pretty minor in terms of the issues we have in leaving.
Once we triggered Article 50 to leave the EU within two years we seemed a little surprised about what happened next. Some thought that this would trigger the negotiation of the easiest trade deal with EU in history.
Unfortunately the EU had different ideas. They proposed and we bowed down to a sequential negotiation where we first agreed a withdrawal agreement before moving to an agreement of the future relationship once we have left on 29th March 2019.
The withdrawal agreement needed to cover at the least three key points around the status of citizens post withdrawal, the treatment of the Irish Border and the net financial contributions the UK would make for its assets and liabilities.
In December 2017 Theresa May came back from Brussels in triumph that she had agreed with an EU on these points allowing discussions around future trade relationships to commence. The agreement included the level of financial commitment we would make, INCLUDING PENSIONS, and a backstop on the island of Ireland.
Since then the UK recognised that it needed more time to negotiate its future relationship and the EU agreed a transitional period where from March 2019 for 21 months to 31st December 2020 where for all intents and purposes we will take EU rules, have no say in them and pay more for the privilege.
We finally presented the Chequers proposal that has been rejected by most sides within the UK and without. The aim now in the time remaining of Article 50 to conclude the withdrawal agreement, including the Irish backstop which since we signed up to in December 2017 has been in some dispute and enter into a political agreement on our future relationship that all can be agreed by the Conservative Party, Parliament the EU its 27 remaining member states and its Parliament before we officially leave on 29th March.
If we don't we leave with no deal with all that entails. The good this from your point of view is that is that if that happens then we don't pay any contributions for pension provisions. Sounds great when you put like that I guess!!
'No deal is better than a bad deal' appears to have become 'come on guys please, this bad deal is better than no deal'.
Rhetoric meets reality.
https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...mpression=true
This article sums up May's issues quite nicely
It doesnt matter what May delivers or agrees as her opponent's will not under any circumstance support or vote for any deal , as their real goal is power , bugger the people , or the effects of Brexit upon them ,I'm still waiting to see there detailed alternative plan .
We are just used as a political football.
We were used as a political foootball when call me Dave called an unnecessary referendum as he was scared of Nigel and the Daily Mail and wanted to prove what a tough guy he was
Before buggering off.
So I think some of your anger should be thrown in the way of the old Etonian pig shagger
May on the edge.
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Senior tory tells me Brexiteer anger so high that seems likely there will be a call for no confidence vote tomorrow - letters going in -
10:09 AM - 14 Nov 2018 https://twitter.com/bbclaurak
Great summary, the only incey wincey hole in it is that the majority of the groups openly opposed to this deal already have power - remainer tories, erg, dup, scottish tories :facepalm:
This isn't about power. It is about taking this supposed mandate and delivering something that absolutely nobody wanted in the name of compromise. She was told at the very start that it was stupid, she told us to trust her because she is a fantastic negotiator and now 2.5 years after the vote she is in a dark room trying to convince even her feckin pals to support it. Tomorrow once she has threatened them into submission she will have to start working on the people who don't like her.
I think this is what Bone was alluding to
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/1...r-theresa-may/
And there for me personally lies the problem, for Labour .
Yvette Cooper would romp into power ,however like a lot of good Labour MP's they have been marginalised and viewed as a sort of centralist 'who may have smiled at Blair at some point in thier lives, therefore becoming not required as leaders or front bench politicians, who should be tearing these Tories apart ,she is one of many good socialists , lost to us , and unfortunately stopping Labour becoming a powerful force .
So what will today bring?
Part of me wishes this deal goes through as it at least prevents the shit storm of queues at the borders to get trade through.
I would add the words "through her attachment to New Labour" after "she is one of many good socialists , lost to us".
To repeat what I posted on the other board a while ago;-
"I've not paid too much attention to what's in this 500 page document yet, but doesn't the response to it so far show the idiocy of just having a yes or no question on the 2016 Referendum ballot paper? It's just showing that there were so many different versions of Brexit covered in the total Leave vote - there will be some who are happy to proceed with it, but others who will be convinced it's a sell out and, to quote a phrase I've heard used quite often in the last twenty four hours, the worst of all worlds, yet they are all supposed to be on the same side!"
Raab sees exit. Who will be next? One minute he is confessing he didn't realise the volume of trade through Dover and the next minute he is resigning, presumably to support a no deal whose consequences are likely to turn southern Kent into a lorry park.
I would have hated to take up this mantle up , as there is no win .
The deal was always going to be one of compromise , and when the vote was made had not idea of what they were really voting for , or voted for a single issue or two .
I still think this issue is being used as a political battle in every quarter ,in every party ,and all of the parties are vying for a popular vote ,trouble is the country is split down the middle as is the parties .
I'm guessing those very parties are rubbing their hands in glee , with a no vote on the deal approaching , if that happens I'm hopping the main opposition parties come forward with their version of the deal to put it right ( part of me believes they don't have one, or do any better with regards to getting a deal, accepting to all )
I think folk should realise there is no good news on this one or golden opportunity.
Three resignations by 10 am - after all of the months of inertia things are certainly happening!
Daniel Norcross on The Cricket Social just now - will the Sri Lankan innings last longer than the current government?:hehe: