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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
You gave a reason why more black people are criminals. It came across as a bit of a lame excuse.
There are plenty of white criminals and killers all over the world. Doesn’t matter what skin colour, or creed, there are no excuses.
We are talking about knife crime though, people asked why more non white people are doing it. I gave the reason, it’s because poor people are more likely to be involved in that sort of crime. Non white people in the US and the U.K. are more likely to be poor.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
JDerrida
Yes there is.
It's the fault of white people. White people force them to do it. Some black young men have no free will, because of white people.
If you don't know that you must be a racist 🙄
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Ah! you clearly fully understand what rudy was saying. Can you explain it to me please in words of 1 syllable because I'm a bit stupid and don't grasp it.
So lads why do you think more non white people are involved in knife crime?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
Why ask me. I told you already I'm not interested.
You do amuse me, you just can't let anything go can you. Even after you realise you're holding a turd.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
Being poor isn’t an excuse either. I grew up in Ely in the 60’s/70’s where plenty of folk were relatively poor. We didn’t go round stabbing each other though.
As a parent myself, I know only too well. You can teach your kids right from wrong till your blue in the face, but once they are in the company of friends and other youngsters, then peer pressure can be so persuasive.
I’d wager most of the youngsters in the UK/USA (of any colour) involved in knife crime are in gangs merely because it’s safer in numbers. Nothing to do with being poor.
They are brainwashed in a way, and are probably scared to break away from the gang and think for themselves.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
No one is saying it’s an excuse mate, but there has to be a reason for it when statistics like this are seen.
Why is the percentage of white people on the sex offenders register much higher? Why is there a much bigger number of Pakistani peadophiles? Do you think looking into this reasoning is an excuse ?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Why ask me. I told you already I'm not interested.
You do amuse me, you just can't let anything go can you. Even after you realise you're holding a turd.
You were the one who commented again though?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
Kids too scared to lose a fight these days and lose credibility so arm themselves up with something that will end someone's life as well as their own.
Random searches on the street and an instant 3 years in prison would be my solution but whether the prisons are equipped to deal with the amount of people that would end up inside, I doubt it.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Why ask me. I told you already I'm not interested.
You do amuse me, you just can't let anything go can you. Even after you realise you're holding a turd.
Coward, you came in back slapping when you thought someone has a point then go running when someone asks a question about it :hehe:
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
Being poor isn’t an excuse either. I grew up in Ely in the 60’s/70’s where plenty of folk were relatively poor. We didn’t go round stabbing each other though.
As a parent myself, I know only too well. You can teach your kids right from wrong till your blue in the face, but once they are in the company of friends and other youngsters, then peer pressure can be so persuasive.
I’d wager most of the youngsters in the UK/USA (of any colour) involved in knife crime are in gangs merely because it’s safer in numbers. Nothing to do with being poor.
They are brainwashed in a way, and are probably scared to break away from the gang and think for themselves.
How many rich people do you think are involved in knife crime mate?
Also are you being deliberately obtuse by saying excuse? No one is saying the people stabbing people aren't bad, but there has to be an underlying reason unless you think non white people are more likely to be violent.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
Being poor isn’t an excuse either. I grew up in Ely in the 60’s/70’s where plenty of folk were relatively poor. We didn’t go round stabbing each other though.
As a parent myself, I know only too well. You can teach your kids right from wrong till your blue in the face, but once they are in the company of friends and other youngsters, then peer pressure can be so persuasive.
I’d wager most of the youngsters in the UK/USA (of any colour) involved in knife crime are in gangs merely because it’s safer in numbers. Nothing to do with being poor.
They are brainwashed in a way, and are probably scared to break away from the gang and think for themselves.
It's obviously to do with being poor. It doesn't mean everyone who is poor does knife crime but the huge majority of people who do knife crime are poor.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Coward, you came in back slapping when you thought someone has a point then go running when someone asks a question about it :hehe:
Not me back slapping. I asked a question. :) . If I replied now he wouldn't be the one who wont let go would he. ? Lol
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
In fairness I agree with what he's saying. People aren't more likely to be violent because they're a different skin colour, it's all about the societal reasons that lead to certain people being more likely to be involved in certain things.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
In fairness I agree with what he's saying. People aren't more likely to be violent because they're a different skin colour, it's all about the societal reasons that lead to certain people being more likely to be involved in certain things.
I never disagreed with him, i only asked a question. lol Only asked if as he says, it is a reaction to society's treatment of them why people them attack members of their own ethnic group and not the ill-treaters. It was actually a genuine question as I know little detail about the subject, but he obviously took it as an attack on his post and instead of giving a reasonable response tried to bite.
silly bugger. Fecked up an otherwise reasonable thread. But I expect he will see it as me who did that?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
lardy
It's obviously to do with being poor. It doesn't mean everyone who is poor does knife crime but the huge majority of people who do knife crime are poor.
You’ll have me in tears soon. It’s nonsense. Let’s be blunt for a minute here. The majority of knife related deaths in London, now involve a majority of young black boys/men, who all wear the latest clobber and hoodies, and all have mobile phones.
It’s a cult/gang/ turf war. Nothing to do with poverty.
If it was, they’d be trying to stab the very people (MP’s and councillors etc) who are causing it.
As someone above said, youngsters nowadays don’t seem to have the bottle for an old fashioned one on one fist fight. Losing and losing face in front of their mates just ain’t on.
It’s combination of youthful stupidity, false bravado, a lack of moral fibre, a lack of respect for other people, and and an attitude of nobodies dissing me:us or coming on our turf with out getting chibbed.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
Who do you think gets involved in gangs mate? People who have lots of money, a stable upbringing and a good education? Or people who are born into poverty, go to a shit school and are having money troubles at home?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
You’ll have me in tears soon. It’s nonsense. Let’s be blunt for a minute here. The majority of knife related deaths in London, now involve a majority of young black boys/men, who all wear the latest clobber and hoodies, and all have mobile phones.
It’s a cult/gang/ turf war. Nothing to do with poverty.
If it was, they’d be trying to stab the very people (MP’s and councillors etc) who are causing it.
As someone above said, youngsters nowadays don’t seem to have the bottle for an old fashioned one on one fist fight. Losing and losing face in front of their mates just ain’t on.
It’s combination of youthful stupidity, false bravado, a lack of moral fibre, a lack of respect for other people, and and an attitude of nobodies dissing me:us or coming on our turf with out getting chibbed.
So do you think black people are more likely to join gangs just because they’re black then?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
It’s combination of youthful stupidity, false bravado, a lack of moral fibre, a lack of respect for other people, and and an attitude of nobodies dissing me:us or coming on our turf with out getting chibbed.
But why is it more likely to be non white people then?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
rudy gestede
So do you think black people are more likely to join gangs just because they’re black then?
Sadly Ithink that is absolutely correct. I just don't know why.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Who do you think gets involved in gangs mate? People who have lots of money, a stable upbringing and a good education? Or people who are born into poverty, go to a shit school and are having money troubles at home?
I’d say people who get involved in gangs that stab folk, (because plenty of youngsters belong to gangs who don’t stab folk), are people of any colour/race, who are involved in drug wars, have no respect for others, like to play the poverty card, think they are above the law, put no importance on life itself, shall I go on?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
I’d say people who get involved in gangs that stab folk, (because plenty of youngsters belong to gangs who don’t stab folk), are people of any colour/race, who are involved in drug wars, have no respect for others, like to play the poverty card, think they are above the law, put no importance on life itself, shall I go on?
Dont go on you completely miss the point every time. If you can’t grasp it after all the explanation you’re a lost cause.
Hère are some questions:
1. Do you think rich people get involved in knife crime
2. Do you think rich people get involved in the low levels of the drug trade
3. Do you think rich people join street gangs
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Sadly Ithink that is absolutely correct. I just don't know why.
I thought you weren’t interested?
So you think black people are more predisposed to join gangs, inspire of upbringing, education or status?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
Being poor isn’t an excuse either. I grew up in Ely in the 60’s/70’s where plenty of folk were relatively poor. We didn’t go round stabbing each other though.
As a parent myself, I know only too well. You can teach your kids right from wrong till your blue in the face, but once they are in the company of friends and other youngsters, then peer pressure can be so persuasive.
I’d wager most of the youngsters in the UK/USA (of any colour) involved in knife crime are in gangs merely because it’s safer in numbers. Nothing to do with being poor.
They are brainwashed in a way, and are probably scared to break away from the gang and think for themselves.
Just like they were in LA back in the day.....gang belonging and all that guff
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
rudy gestede
Dont go on you completely miss the point every time. If you can’t grasp it after all the explanation you’re a lost cause.
Hère are some questions:
1. Do you think rich people get involved in knife crime
2. Do you think rich people get involved in the low levels of the drug trade
3. Do you think rich people join street gangs
Q1. No. The majority of rich people don’t get involved in knife crime, although some do.
Q2.No. The majority of rich people don’t get involved in the low levels of the drug trade, but some do.
Q3. Yes. Rich people join gangs, but the other members of the gang are also rich.
What’s your point?
If you’re poor, you have a reason to join a gang and stab people?
Let me ask you a question. How many black families are worse off than white families right now in the UK?
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Who8 do you think gets involved in gangs mate? People who have lots of money, a stable upbringing and a good education? Or people who are born into poverty, go to a shit school and are having money troubles at home?
The reasons are multifactorial.
You've nailed three of them on the head.
I was reading an article about the problems with blacks killing blacks in American cities. One of the black commentators mentioned the statistic that 77%of black families are single parent (i.e. absent fathers), so they have unstable upbringing within the home, then there's peer pressure to join gangs, education goes out the window.
I mentioned previously about a Michael Mosley documentary about different types of intelligence. He interviewed a very radical thinking University Professor who asserted that black males on average were 18 points lower than their white counterparts. Mosley and the politically correct called or thought of him as racist. All he was highlighting and what he actually mentioned were the mitigating circumstances that led to this disparity.
Those who claimed he was racist, actually were the ones discriminating against the very people they were purporting to support.
Talk openly and constructively and there's potential to move forward.
Bury one's head in the sand, claim others are racist and nothing ever moves forward.
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Re: Knife crime in Cardiff , tonight BBC Wales
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Originally Posted by
rudy gestede
I thought you weren’t interested?
So you think black people are more predisposed to join gangs, inspire of upbringing, education or status?
:hehe: you can't let go of anything can you?
Why do you keep asking me questions?
You don't really want answers you just want to use the answer (Which of course in your eyes will automatically be wrong) as an excuse to ram your opinion down peoples throats.
You are getting seriously boring now.!