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It is a policy that helps people who don't have the right to vote.
Or they may vote soon ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Have to give it Labour thier ability to harness youngsters attention is good off the back of tution fees , free bus travel , the climate rallies, just hope it's a real policy and not one that fails to be delivered as its all very costly .
The wage one may adversely effect them though with less youngsters being employed to supplement the cost of doubling wages.
Lovely policies , hopefully costed in and not an emotional policy .
Bingo. Yet you refer to it as potentially 'blatant electioneering' above? Make your mind up.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
It will create youth unemployment , need to concentrate on youngsters staying in school and bettering themselves not jumping into wages that are attractive ,not a sensible decesion in my view just another undeliverable vote grabber ,bit like tution fees ,I'm sure a reversal or amended view will follow, as per the free tution fee banner ,free bus travel ??,free sweets ?? , we will end up subsiding them to not achieve if we're not careful .Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
This will create higher youth employment as business will reduce and higher less people .
a) If you think the policy will make kids less employable and you want kids to stay in education then surely you should like the policy?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
b) How can this policy be a vote grabber if the people it benefits can't vote?
It's a vote grabber because anyone who throws money around is popular .
The best policy to ensure youngsters get a future is to leave the non skilled wages as they are ,we don't want youngsters trapped in that world .
Upscale apprenticeship jobs and wages us by far a better policy if we have money to spend.
Let's not incentives anyone .
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...mcdonnell-says
Here's something Labour could get ther teeth into ..
Number of public sector pensioners on £100k trebles in seven years
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...y_to_clipboard
What do you propose?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
No, they are popular with the people it benefits. Triple Lock + the rest bought the pensioner vote quite successfully. You can't buy the vote of someone who isn't entitled to.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
You have just said that this will make them less employable and then said they will all end up trapped there. Both can't be true.Quote:
The best policy to ensure youngsters get a future is to leave the non skilled wages as they are ,we don't want youngsters trapped in that world .
How else do you cope with mass unemployment from technological advances? The benefits system is massively expensive and implemented in such an inhumane way. Labour might well be trialling it for the wrong reasons but UBI is inevitable at some point so it is probably worth considering how it could work.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
There is very little evidence to suggest that UBI actually leads to the average person working less. Unless you count the snobby 'poor people are poor because they are lazy' trope as evidence.
Your points are well positioned but in my view don't help young people , it just provides a vacuum and excuse not to progress in life .Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
The wonderful recent plethora of offerings I'm sure are well meant certainty very popular .
The deployment of such a programme of giveaways in my view will simply kill off or reduce employment for 16 - 18 year old ,as employers seek to offer less roles to folk by the doubling up of their wages .
In my view they need better funded education ,not £10 an hour jobs , a wage/job to aim for , better paid and more Apprenticeships, funded centrally direct into businesses who prove they have a genuine up skilling pathway .
I'm sure free tuition fees will soon appear again , free money is the word , and yes a very popular one ,and I'm sure gathers in the new populist politics , who have no other view .
That's me done .
What do you mean when you say better funded education? I would make a significant proportion of university courses fee-free but you seem to be opposed to the reduction of tuition fees so I am struggling to work out where you would put this money.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
To flip it around because it adds a different dimension to the discussion - Why do you think we should have a minimum wage system that depends on age? I don't think it is radical to suggest that people should be paid according to their contribution and skill set and not their demographic. Is it proper for the government to effectively tell employers that a 17 year old is inherently worth less than a 21 year old and a 21 year old is inherently worth less than a 26 year old?
Not only are younger people short-changed on the grounds of age discrimination but their older peers may be under threat of being replaced by cheaper labour i.e. the younger people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Why should teenagers be paid less for the same work?
OP clearly doesn't want to answer that question as it has already been asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
Not sure if you run a business or involved in employment and skills , supply and demand or stepped wage scales based on responsibility, skills , performance .Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
These youngsters are building towards those higher skills and responsibilities they them earn more as they climb towards those achievement and goals ,its life learning .
The orginal post was about Labour's carrot to just hand a huge rise to 16 - 18 year olds which in my view will greatly affect those opportunities as employers especially small businesses will be unable to double thier wages and probaly result in reducing their head counts to fund it if its forced upon them .
Pull the other one. Most 16/17 year olds in work are either serving coffee/food or lugging shit around in a supermarket. They aren't learning anything, it is pocket money for them and cheap labour for the business. I don't think many people disagree with the concept of an apprenticeship and youngsters learning on the job but when the job is sticking milk on a shelf that is not an apprenticeship.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
If your business model fails when you start paying people what it costs to live then you didn't have a business model to begin with.