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I'm happy for Warnock to stay until the end of the season. I don't trust the board to replace him with anyone better and think it's too risky at this point - we won't go down with Warnock.
Plenty of mb users have got suggestions but there's none that really set the pulse racing - everyone is a gamble. Not long ago everyone was marvelling at what a setup Norwich have - think they've just lost seven on the bounce.
Well he not only got us promoted, but had a very realistic go at keeping us there. We didn't fold up as we did the last time. He also came very close to maintaining the momentum this year and if he leaves us we will be in better shape all round than we've been before.
In short he took us on a long march which included many fantastic moments and famous victories and made ( most) people believe in the club.
He bought some surprising players this year and unfortunately they can't quite do the job together as a team. Mind you, he might not be finished yet.
What Norwich do have is a smattering of younger players who they will probably be able to cash in on if they go down. We've spent a lot more than Norwich in recent years and yet, almost without fail, the players we sign depreciate in value through a combination of their age and poor performance. We are now in a position where it appears that there are a lot of things wrong at the club - the fact that we are going to struggle to repeat the sell one or two good players a summer approach that worked pretty well for us about a decade ago once the parachute payments run out being one of them.
Well done 'captain' a very 'sensible ' reply the world is full of experts and managers ,many haven't actually managed anything, let alone footballers ego's.
I think the players have let themselves down , no one told them to :
Give away the second ball.
Defend like amateurs.
Not run into spaces or different angles to create chances.
Yes he should have gone after Utd, it was the coub who decided not too, in part probaly after Sala .
He has an ageing team and we are just seeing the season out, and I think that was the plan all along.
Lets jyst say thanks Neil , see us to May , and just make the changes at the season end .
Can you expand on the “in better shape all round” comment?
- Is our first team in better shape? Not really.
- is our academy producing more first team players? Erm...nope.
- do we have a clear plan for the future? Not on your nelly!
- did we have an unexpected and unlikely promotion followed by a relegation and are now practically back in the same place as when Warnock arrived? Yip!
- Has our manager spent more money than any of his predecessors? Yes, Siree!
Every managerial appointment is a gamble.
The club need to work out what decision may offer the more reduced gamble.
Jepson, Bamba and others mentioned on here offer very little experience at a decent level and more importantly, will never attract players to this club that possess the qualities we need.
Bellamy is the only choice for me. Of course a gamble but has played at the highest level under top managers, now has coaching experience and would end Warnockball. He could probably sign players that would otherwise not consider Cardiff City
Me,
Team
We are currently playing shit. Correct. However i dont feel we are a million miles away from being a decent team. Theres been a fair amount of change.over last 12 months.
If we can get a bit tighter at the back and a bit more clinical genuinelly feel we will be in and around.
It looks unlikely can get much worse, if the players can improve then
Tactics
I got no issue with how we play football. Theres more than one way to get the ball.in the net. We create plenty of chances without having to keep the ball for long periods. Everyone wants to win games and play beautiful football but only 3 teams go and 21 fail.
Those who want him gone becauae of tactics i'm sure you werent asking him.to be sacked when we were 2nd.
Transfers
This is the most frustrating part of Warnock.
For me when we were so inferior compared to other clubs in pl it wasnt about bolstering numbers it was adding quality. Any money spent should have gone into players playing.
Its a lot of money spent and theres still no stand out players.
What i would say is the signings going into Pl looked sensible young players who if did well would be good investments however if fell short knew could do a job in championship. It hasnt worked out that way.
Premier League
Ive got no issue with how we went down. We failed yes but it was so much closer than everyone thought. In the end i think we were unfortunate to get relegated as thibk we were better overall than 1 or 2. 1 or 2 goals wpukd have made the difference.
Future
Is it being short sighted sticking with Warnock? Yes whoever takes over is unlikely to want to play similar system. However, i still believe we can do something this year. I maybe wrong but i think we have a better chance of doing something with him than without him.
I will defend him
He saved us from relegation certainties .......remember that win against Bristol city ?
He galvanised the fans after a good few years of morbidity
He got us promoted to the big time
He's made mistakes like any other manager
But we are mid table , not six points adrift for gods sake
This season mid table is what its going to be , that's not the end of the world .......but relegation would be and that's a very strong possibility if we replaced Warnock now ........knee jerk reactions like that have ruined many clubs
We are not a big club like Sunderland , Pompey etc who have the supporter base to eventually drag themselves back
We should stick with Warnock who is exactly the right man for a scrap in the middle of the table and then when he retires at the end of the season we should thank him for what he's done for Cardiff city and then look for a fresh face to move us forward
In my view , replacing him now could backfire on us big time
Sunderland are getting 25000 plus in league one and Pompey's support has held up around the 18000 mark since their fall from grace , sides like this and the likes of Sheffield Wednesday , derby , etc have a solid core support
We don't
Under Slade , Jones and Trollope fans would desert us in droves when results went against us
Its always been the case and one of the reasons why getting rid of Warnock could jettison this club into freefall and possible relegation
If people want a new manager in my view we should ensure we don't go down , by sticking with Warnock ......and make a change at the end of the season
They were getting 43k at one point in the Premier League. In the Championship their crowds dropped by 33% after relegation. Ours has currently dropped by 27% though we're getting almost 3,000 more than our promotion season.
The Bristol City home games have never been our biggest attendances of the season, so that figure doesn't surprise me, though it is bigger than our home average this season. Expect bigger crowds against Leeds and Swansea.
i respect what he has done for us hands down... but history is yesterday and we have to look forward..
i was in the camp of him not starting this season at all and got laughed on here and fb, thats cool, and no i dont know who should be a suitable replacement im not in the business of football managerial recruitment but all i know is its not working is it
No it hasn't.
2009/10 Premier League 18249
2010/11 Championship 15571
2011/12 Championship 15076
2012/13 League 1 12232
2013/14 League 2 15461
2014/15 League 2 15242
2015/16 League 2 16391
2016/17 League 2 16823
2017/18 League 1 17917
2018/19 League 1 18223
2019/20 League 1 17893
Theirs dropped a third in 3 seasons going from Premier League to League 1. What is interesting is that their Supporters' Trust eventually bought the club at the end of that 2012/13 season and the fans came back. They clearly had a number of stay aways prior to that, though.
If the 2 that hit the bar had gone in we, would be saying 2,wins since the, Jacks.
That's the fine line in football..
Sludge - your justification for sticking with Warnock looks to me to hinge on him keeping us up, which given how much has been spent and the club’s own pre-season stance amounts to a huge failure.
Why should we trust Warnock with another transfer window*, then expect the new manager to start with a full season ahead, when they could come in now, assess the squad and make sensible changes in the January window*?
*Assuming no transfer ban.
Think everyone appreciates the fact he brought the fans and the club closer together. Think we all appreciate the year in the PL as well.
He bought championship players when we went up with the idea that we have a better squad when/if we came back down.
He came down and in his own words said we were going to “have a good go at it”.
It’s not gonna happen, it’s not what he has done thats the issue is it, it’s what he promised to do and is failing at.
He’s back where he started, fans bickering, shit football and struggling in the league.
So tell me, what has he done to deserve to stay? He’s failing. Don’t let one season in the PL cloud your judgement.
His players don’t want to play for him.
As a few have said we are back where we started in many ways.
Yes, he took us up but he has also been terrible in the transfer market and many of those signings were made and then weren't picked.
See Vaulks as the latest example of this. It is as if he doesn't look at a player and what they can do and buys them and then sees their flaws.
For me it has run it's course. If he stays it gives less time to the new man and will take that much longer to get the squad in any fit state again.
I, like many others though, am worried what the board with it's lack of football knowledge will bring in.
We have had Malky, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, the Scott Young/Gabbidon double act, Slade and Warnock.
The list is very hit and miss and with almost all of those there always seemed to be a breakdown between the board and manager. Malky especially. If I can give Warnock the most credit for anything it is the way he has managed Tan and the board.
Nonsense.
When Warnock arrived, City were a side drained of confidence who were playing poorly, but they weren't relegation certainties by any stretch of the imagination. Indeed, when he took over Cardiff were two points behind Derby and Villa, who were 18th and 19th in the table. They ended the season five points behind Derby, who finished 9th, and level on points with Villa, who finished 13th.
Warnock undoubtedly did well to galvanise an under-performing side, but what he effectively did in 2016/17 was turn a team that should have been mid-table into a team that was mid-table. It was good work but it was no miracle. He inherited a squad that included the likes of Morrison, Manga, Peltier, Bennett, Gunnarsson, Ralls, Zohore, Harris, Whittingham and Pilkington. Relegation certainties they were not.