NHS For Sale - The Naylor Report

Wow, I've never heard about this before. It looks like the NHS is going to be sold off if this Naylor Report is implemented.

Does anybody have any further information about this?

Wrong forum FFS!!

I watched this last week, the guy does my head in, interesting none the less however.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCOPZGtvnpo

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by OurManFlint II

Wrong forum FFS!!

I watched this last week, the guy does my head in, interesting none the less however.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCOPZGtvnpo

---

Just leave the politics out of it, I'm tired of our NHS being used as a political football. I want to know how the Naylor Report will result in the sell-off of the NHS and what mechanisms are involved, etc.

Thanks for the link :thumbup:

does it matter who runs the NHS as long as it remains free at the point of use for all?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Just leave the politics out of it, I'm tired of our NHS being used as a political football. I want to know how the Naylor Report will result in the sell-off of the NHS and what mechanisms are involved, etc.

Thanks for the link :thumbup:

---

It's on the internet.

It must be true.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ninianclark

The Naylor Review is about how efficiently the NHS uses its land and property. It says some should be sold to fund improvements to the rest. Robert Naylor used to run a London Hospital and was asked to look at how well the NHS estate was run - and how it could be run better etc.

So you can get your hand out ya pants and feck off back to looking for other non stories.

And this from someone that doesnt vote :sherlock: - are you sure your arent the love child of Corbyn and Abbott ?


ps - There is a politics forum - even for those like you that dont even vote....

---

Stop being a drama queen Damien :biggrin: It was a simple non-political question about the sale of NHS assets as prescribed in the Naylor Report, a document I have never heard of.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politic...g-you-10543351

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TISS

does it matter who runs the NHS as long as it remains free at the point of use for all?

---

Because if they privatise it, it'll be about money, so they'll shut down local A&Es and strip everything back to the bare bones.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ninianclark

The Naylor Review is about how efficiently the NHS uses its land and property. It says some should be sold to fund improvements to the rest. Robert Naylor used to run a London Hospital and was asked to look at how well the NHS estate was run - and how it could be run better etc.

So you can get your hand out ya pants and feck off back to looking for other non stories.

And this from someone that doesnt vote :sherlock: - are you sure your arent the love child of Corbyn and Abbott ?


ps - There is a politics forum - even for those like you that dont even vote....

---

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Because if they privatise it, it'll be about money, so they'll shut down local A&Es and strip everything back to the bare bones.

---

Bit late to start focusing on this.

It's been going on for years.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TISS

does it matter who runs the NHS as long as it remains free at the point of use for all?

---

Yeah, i hope Serco, G4S, Capita or Atos run it, they've got a sterling record of running private business for the people :-)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Because if they privatise it, it'll be about money, so they'll shut down local A&Es and strip everything back to the bare bones.

---

I've had a quick read and if used sensibly it could be a good thing, but (and it's a big but) everything is in place for it to turn into a total sell-off. The red flags are the government offering 2-1 on sale prices, a block on capital funding if trusts don't participate, and the 5 year limit (the length of a parliamentary term). There may be more, but those are the ones that jumped out at me.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by OurManFlint II

Yeah, i hope Serco, G4S, Capita or Atos run it, they've got a sterling record of running private business for the people :-)

---

:hehe:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ninianclark

"Wow, I've never heard about this before. It looks like the NHS is going to be sold off if this Naylor Report is implemented.

Does anybody have any further information about this?"

Why didnt you Google it first then ? - maybe you dont use Search Engines as well as not vote.

You are like the male version of Dianne Abbott on here.

#PrayforWales-Bales

---

With the exception of your good self, this place is usually full of wisdom :hehe:

OurManFlint provided a great link, and I was up to speed on the topic in next to no time.

This message board probably has some members who have direct or indirect knowledge of the NHS, so it is an appropriate question to ask on here. Hopefully it can provide some sensible discussion on a topic that affects every last one of us, and our families.

Arguably, the NHS was sold off years ago when PFI was invented and accounted for around the construction of 100 hospitals. PFI was invented by the Major government but it grew dramatically under Blair's Labour. Interest rates are so scandalously high that the NHS has been virtually bankrupted by repayments.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7134881.html

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TISS

does it matter who runs the NHS as long as it remains free at the point of use for all?

---

Yes, because patient care becomes a secondary objective.

They said people should buy their council houses, they had to bribe them to do it. They said schools should pursue academy status, they had to bribe them to do it. Now they say hospitals should sell 'surplus' land, how will they go about achieving it?

Selling something for what it is worth doesn't count as an efficiency saving.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

They said people should buy their council houses, they had to bribe them to do it. They said schools should pursue academy status, they had to bribe them to do it. Now they say hospitals should sell 'surplus' land, how will they go about achieving it?

Selling something for what it is worth doesn't count as an efficiency saving.

---

Correct me if I'm wrong but selling off surplus NHS land has been the policy of both political Parties and the Right to Buy Council houses (though started by the Tories) also carried on under Labour. As for Academies the Labour Government under Tony Blair established academies through the Learning and Skills Act 2000, which amended the section of the Education Act 1996 relating to City Technology Colleges. They were first announced in a speech by David Blunkett, then Secretary of State for Education and Skills, in 2000. (Source Wikipedia)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Vindec

Correct me if I'm wrong but selling off surplus NHS land has been the policy of both political Parties and the Right to Buy Council houses (though started by the Tories) also carried on under Labour. As for Academies the Labour Government under Tony Blair established academies through the Learning and Skills Act 2000, which amended the section of the Education Act 1996 relating to City Technology Colleges. They were first announced in a speech by David Blunkett, then Secretary of State for Education and Skills, in 2000. (Source Wikipedia)

---

New labour were just friendly Tories werent they?

I will give you right to buy but I don't think new labour offered bribes to schools to turn into academies or bribes to make hospitals sell land.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

New labour were just friendly Tories werent they?

I will give you right to buy but I don't think new labour offered bribes to schools to turn into academies or bribes to make hospitals sell land.

---

Wolf in sheep's clothing

https://2012patriot.files.wordpress....p-clothing.jpg

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Just leave the politics out of it, I'm tired of our NHS being used as a political football. I want to know how the Naylor Report will result in the sell-off of the NHS and what mechanisms are involved, etc.

Thanks for the link :thumbup:

---

when people mention politics, you know my " click to move finger " gets twitchy

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by blue matt

when people mention politics, you know my " click to move finger " gets twitchy

---

As a Dad you should be interested in the NHS :biggrin: This Naylor Report is only 2 months old, but it seems to be a very significant document. I'm hoping someone with a NHS background will be able to contribute something to this thread.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

As a Dad you should be interested in the NHS :biggrin: This Naylor Report is only 2 months old, but it seems to be a very significant document. I'm hoping someone with a NHS background will be able to contribute something to this thread.

---

as a dad i am

Only yesterday i took my 9yr old to Hospital to see a pediatric oral specialist, as my daughter has a hole in a back tooth ( it turns out she must have had a fever when very young and that causes tooth enamel on teeth to be weak as they are " breaking through ", it turns out it is only this one tooth right at the back, which isnt a major issue as the gap will fill in with her teeth moving over

anyways

Our dentist wanted the hospital to take it out under general Anesthetic, he thinks pulling out the very rear one without her being out would be traumatic for her, thus we went to the hospital to see the consultant for the first time yesterday

we discussed it and when i asked the wait time, she said " 12 months plus ", i laughed and said " really " , her reply was " yes, infact by the time we get to do it it could well be closer to 18 months, Mr Blue, the wheels have fallen off "

12 - 18 months to have a tooth out :angry: shocking

I have a feeling about it, they are running the NHS down and into the ground so when they do announce its going to be sold of / privatised, we wont really care as we will say " well it was crap anyway " it might not be in my generation, but i guess my daughters