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I was just going to post that myself. Quite worrying.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I wonder if these are the parents of the two players along with the player who made the original complaint who was released from City and was also released by FGR, who complained about Bellamy turning down the volume for the English national anthem, and complaining about Bellamy saying he did not like Bristol city and Swansea? Witch hunt going on here.
Worrying but should wait for the club to do their own review. If complaints were not acted upon, as seems possible, really does not paint us in a good light at all.
They're right. There is a real problem at Cardiff's academy. It's not produced a good player in years!
Fear not. It's just a witch hunt. Igovernor said so, and if ever there was a man with his finger on the pulse of the CCFC Academy, it's him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
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Generation snowflake , bless them . Probably not anywhere near the required level and having no discipline in schools , get a rollicking and cannot handle it .
How do we know that without any facts? It's obviously got some truth behind it as the club are still looking into it. Let's not pass judgement until we know everything. Far too often people label kids as snowflakes etc, when these are young lads, often away from home at 15,16 etc when an adult throwing his weight around could be seriously damaging to their development. There's a reason the biggest killer to men in the UK under 45 is suicide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco Siffredi
The Daily Heil article suggests it's inappropriate language from Jarrod Harvey (another coach) and Bellamy calling the lad a snitch for complaining about Jarrod Harvey. If that's the extent of the problem then it seems it really does mark out a massive generational gap between what used to be acceptable to motivate people and what is no longer acceptable.
Be interesting to see how this works out, but it does seem a bit trivial to potentially cost someone their living.
Quick question... In what workplace has it ever been acceptable to call a staff member a snitch for raising a complaint?Quote:
Originally Posted by Penarth Blues
The kid made the complaint in the first place. It's intimidation. If you make a complaint about your boss, and then your boss finds out about it and makes life worse, shuts you out etc, I don't see how you'd want to stay in your job. If Harvey and Bellamy have bullied kids, and that's an if, they should both go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penarth Blues
Sounds like a vendetta in my opinion
Laughable to think it's ever been okQuote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
I am amazed how many people take notice of the Daily Mail!!
If you consider a football academy to be a workplace I agree. However I see training to become an elite athlete more akin to joining the armed forces - with all the unpleasant reality that accompanies that. However, systematic and continuous bullying is still not acceptable even here - but one-off incidents should be treated as such in my view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
I'd consider my son was being let down if they weren't being prepared for the fact that their workplace requires a degree of thick skin to be able to be successful. Not saying that's how it should ideally be, but the fact is that a lot of your competition are going to be real mean characters and if you don't learn how to deal with it growing up then you're better off not wasting your time IMO
Alternatively we can just pretend that everyone is lovely to each other and continue to fail to produce the players AND characters needed to be successful in the modern game.
The only problem with the academy is there is no ****er coming through.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
When I started work I had the piss took out of me because I was so ****ing good looking.:hehe:
Sent for a long wait and a left handed spanner is that bullying.
[QUOTE=The Lone Gunman;4940829]Fear not. It's just a witch hunt. Igovernor said so, and if ever there was a man with his finger on the pulse of the CCFC Academy, it's him.
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Typical reply of sometimes TLG i expected nothing less off the sarcastic sod think he knows it all
Exactly, if you broke wind walking past them these days they’d probably start to cry......Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco Siffredi
In sport, football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Presume you agree that swearing at an employee is gross misconduct too. You'd end up with whole squads bringing claims ....
Clubs have to take safe guarding and protection of the children very seriously here. The club has un-restricted access to children from a very young age, and has in its hand the hopes and dreams of every child in their care.
The harsh reality id the 95% of the children they deal with will not make it, and with it the dreams will be shattered. So with the harsh reality of this coming up it should be good practice to at least make the youth system a pleasant environment and to not humiliate the child in the process.
The singling out of individual children within the club does not make pleasant reading, and the club will have a serious issue if this has proved to be the case. The turning down of the volume of a tv does seem more trivial.
Funny how it says former players.
Bullying is such an easy thing to throw out there but so hard to identify what it really is.
I have no doubt what has happened in our academy happens at many up and down the country, more so at senior level. if successful then many more will come out.
Some of the abuse you hear from parents at Sunday league isn't any better.
From reading his book, about how low he was at Norwich as a kid, and considering Gary speeds mental health I'd be stunned if Bellamy is going out of his way to bully these lads. For me it's a case of him maybe being a little too honest and not pc with his language. If he is at fault then more than likely most of football is at fault. Sitting in the ground on a Saturday and hearing what you do wohld undoubtedly offend a lot of people.
If someone has made a complaint, it should be dealt with . If Bellamy and/or Harvey have made a kid feel bullied, they should have spoken to the kid, said this is why x,y,z happened, with someone else senior present and gone over it, after Bellamy/Harvey were spoken to first and reminded of their responsibilites (or if more serious been removed from their posts). This is supposed to be a talented youngster, that's the reason he's in the academy in the first place. This apparently hasn't happened, and Bellamy has made the kid's life worse, so nobody else would dare accuse Bellamy or Harvey of anything again. If you saw your mate getting frozen out after complaining, and you want a career in football, you shut up. It isn't physical abuse but lots of kids knew about Bennell etc but didn't say, because all they wanted to be was a footballer. Bellamy and Harvey are in positions of power, they can shape a kid's dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
We don't know if it happened, or what the club found out but I'm sick of people being told that kids are too soft etc. So what if they are? Football and the world are changing, and in my experience there's no bigger snowflakes than 50 year old men like Piers Morgan who lose their shit over trivial bollocks like vegan sausage rolls.
I dread to think what would happen if somebody tackled one of them on a football pitch, we'd probably be looking at restraining orders and requests for compensation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco Siffredi
Let’s hope this gets resolved ASAP truthfully so the academy can get back to training properly.
I can’t imagine this does it any favours when attracting the best talent
No it would be a bit of a disaster. Would you be keen to send your 10 year old child to a system where there are rumors that the coaches bully the children within the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
I completely support your view over the insidious nature of bullying, and if there is a culture of bullying it needs to be stopped - no matter who is doing it, as it's counter-productive to all concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
I can't agree with your comment on 'so what if they are?' I watch players being bullied on the professional football pitch in every game I watch - whether it's physical or mental bullying. It's a competitive game. If they can't cope with that they won't survive.
Life is not fair and rarely played by rules. Better to find out you aren't cut out to be a footballer earlier rather than later, having wasted some of the most crucial years of your life aiming for something you'll never reach. The discussion should be what is acceptable in teaching young kids that professional football is tough and therefore they must be too, and at what stages are they ready to learn this lesson?
Completely agree about Piers Morgan by the way...
Being bullied by the opposition is completely different to being bullied by your boss. It's the manager's job to make sure that all sorts of players thrive. If they've overstepped the line, I would hope the club has conducted a full review at the time and has documented this. If that's the case, then great and we can know one way or the other. Bellamy found it tough at Norwich, and he wanted to quit. If you find it tough and then someone like Bellamy singles you out for stick, and you feel like you've been bullied it would be worse. We don't know exactly what's gone on but if what has been reported is true, I find it very hard how either Harvey and Bellamy could be employed by the club. After a complaint has been made, to double down on this is an intimidation tactic to stop others from acting out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penarth Blues
You're the one who apparently knows it all regarding CCFC's academy set-up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Igovernor
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first of all every football club has a welfare officer who's job it is to look after the well being of every child in the academy . when my lad was in it we were given the names of all contacts relating to each age group
I know it's only print we read on the link but why did the parents make complaints to an education officer in this case steve ellis when the club has a welfare officer ? Every parent is given a code of conduct by the club and what's expected by the club
as for rob cronick doing the investigation what a player he was back in the day . Mel Rees who has sadly passed away kept him out of he city set up as he was the same age but many people including myself thought he was a better keeper and should have got a pro contract somewhere
Armed forces?Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
Roman Catholic church ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird
Really?????????Quote:
Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird
Are we talking about children here or young adults; here is a huge difference. I am not condoning bullying, but life starts to get tough once you leave school (no longer a child), or in this case join the youth academy at a football club. I do not think Bellers will come out of this well, as common sense will not prevail. **** knows what the knock on affect IS going to be like through UK youth football afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by qccfc
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I'll return to the tweet I saw outlining series of events:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
- Bellamy criticises media treatment of Sterling based on his race
- Daily Mail reports on Rise's book and negative impression of Bellamy several months after the book was printed
- Daily Mail reports starts this story several years after the incident
- However, proper process should be followed and, despite Daily Mail's explosion of interest in this, an investigation should take place to make sure it's cleared up properly.
I read this late last night Paul. And thought, I don't think this is going to end well for CB. Pity really, as despite is feisty/aggressive nature I feel he can produce some good youngsters.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
remember a story that when he was young and playing for the first team at Norwich, if he got feisty on team bus, Malky would lock him in the bog.
Spedger
Out of interest how old are you mate? Not having a dig, just wondering which famously tough generation you're part of and what this new one can learn from you guysQuote:
Originally Posted by Rocco Siffredi
referees could take practically every player to court for bullying the amount of abuse they takeQuote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamieccfc
Professional footballers are such appalling role models.
Dive and cheat to get any advantage and scream abuse directly into the face of the referee.
When I worked with young Elite sports people, we used to screen not only the young person, but their parents, siblings and significant others.
No point in wasting a valuable space and money on someone who may have talent, but the wrong mental approach and attitude.
Becoming an Elite sportsperson takes a lot more than raw talent.
They 'have' to be able to deal with uncomfortable or difficult situations and deal with what they perceive as pressure.
If they couldn't deal with those, then they were gone.
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Originally Posted by Trigger