Or were England just poor.
381 run win for West Indies.
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Or were England just poor.
381 run win for West Indies.
Our record out there is not good with either poor or good England teams , it does seem Cricket is becoming a home track win base now, for a lot of sides now.
Watched very little of the game but seems like selectors poor decision to play a spinner instead of another quuckie Broad plus rubbish batting by England shown how to do it by some average batsmen.
Hopefully the WI are on their way back though.
No such team as England: the team represents the English and Welsh cricket board.Quote:
Originally Posted by insider
Do we want to be associated with that crap:hehe:
Definite signs of improvement from the West Indies, but with their virtually non existent warm up programme and hopelessly wrong selection England managed to be arrogant and pathetic at the same time - their batting remains very brittle (to allow a part time spinner to take eight wickets in an innings is downright embarrassing) and Joe Root's decline since being made captain continues.
Lack of preparation how they can decide you can go into a test series with only two days cricket is beyond me,the boys will come back though “come on England” shit never thought I’d ever say or type those words.Great to see the Windies playing good test cricket again though
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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Joe Root is an awful Test captain but who would replace him in this side ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Why pick Jennings and Rashid ?
Jos Buttler should be captain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superdad
Having Curran as the 2nd pace bowler was madness.
England have 1 proven test batsman and that is Root. No openers who have stepped up and then a bunch of talented agressive all rounders who on their day can all score fast and big.
England need to find at least 3 solid batsmen.
A strange and grossly inadequate preparation for the series by England is probably a factor not withstanding that the West Indies played well and throughly deserved the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Not convinced that Root is a natural leader and some of the selections are odd.it seems that they prefer jack of all trades over specialists these days.
Additionally, can someone let Jennings and Rashid know that they are not a test players.
""""England, though, have an absolutely miserable record in the Caribbean, and it’s one that has continued long past the Windies’ 1980s heyday and through a period where England have often been quite good.
Since 1968, England have won precisely one Test series in the West Indies. Since that sole success 15 years ago for a team that was well on its way to becoming the 2005 Ashes winners, England have won in South Africa (twice), Australia, India, New Zealand, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. ""
England were never gonna get near the total needed,but is it unreasonable to think that a test team that bats down to number ten could not bat for two days?l don’t think so it just needs a different mind set.Sadly the modern cricketer doesn’t seem to have that fighting spirit,where’s Atherton when you need him
Flat track assassins the lot of them
I remember the great Windies sides of the 70's. They now have a young side with potential I for one would love them to get back near the top in test match cricket.
It’s hugely difficult for any Test team from any era to bat out for two full days. The wicket gradually deteriorated on days four and five. I can’t think of a single team that has batted out for two full days over the past forty odd years. It may have happened but it’s incredibly rare. I know Atherton batted for God knows how long to save a Test match but was it for that long? Had they done so they would have won the match because they would have scored at over three an over against exhausted bowlers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since64
I don’t think the Windies are on the way back although would like to see it. England look bang average to me. Still reliant on Anderson. Who on earth will fill his shoes? The top of the order looks weak and Root is simply not a Captain. Big problems lie ahead.
EDIT Atherton batted for around five sessions so even then it wasn’t quite two full days.
I listened to a lot of it on the radio, they said the toss win was crucial as the pitch deteriorated after day one .
There was a lot said about the team selection as well. But you always get the bones picked out of things when you lose.
You only need to read this board after Cardiff lose...
Speaks volumes for how poor cricket in general is then as England are highly ranked .
I think the issue is a broader one , all sides seem to be in a sea saw world with regards to test cricket , probably effected by cash and 20/20 .
Domination by one side isnt great anway , surely it makes for better viewing knowing each side has a chance game in game ,rather knowing your off to to another country to be battered 5 nil???
Loving this series. :hehe:
With Alistair Cook's retirement, England do not have one batsman capable of doing what Brathwaite and Bravo did for the West Indies (i.e. bat time and draw the sting of the opposition bowlers). I haven't seen their second innings, but the shots played by Denly and Butler in the first innings should have no place in a test match. When it comes to bowling, England have totally misjudged the pitches and under Ed Smith have gone down the route of thinking genuine fast bowling is not a requirement - this was proved to be flawed thinking in this latest humiliation where the quicker and taller home bowlers found things in the pitch that England couldn't. I think Sam Curran is a great prospect, but his bowling, which can be so effective in this country, is just cannon fodder in some parts of the world (e.g. the West Indies in this series) and the only way I'd pick him for the next test is if he played solely as a batsman - he's a lot better than a number nine and strikes me as better than some of the "specialists" above him in the order.
England want to play "attacking cricket" and rattle along at four an over or more - why? Test matches don't often go into a fifth day now and many are over with two days or more to spare - what's the hurry?
Brilliant. What was Cottrell thinking though, trying to stare down a guy who's just hit a massive 6 to take him on to 137? Was he expecting Buttler to be intimidated? It would've been like Morrison trying to stare down Deulofeu last Friday. Great game of cricket, as good as it gets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex!
It was funny and what a game it turned out to be.
As much as I am a traditionalist and see test cricket as the peak of the game some of these limited over matches are producing some extraordinary scores.
The 100 is a step too far though.