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We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
Didn't have time confidence to knock the ball past a slow and ageing Kompany and played to kompanys strengths.. surely he has the confidence to knock the ball into open space?
Not sayingbhes useless or starting a witch hunt, I've constantly defended his work rate when he hasn't scored goals, but now he needs a few games rest..and a sit in a dark corner to think about his performances!
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
Didn't have time confidence to knock the ball past a slow and ageing Kompany and played to kompanys strengths.. surely he has the confidence to knock the ball into open space?
Not sayingbhes useless or starting a witch hunt, I've constantly defended his work rate when he hasn't scored goals, but now he needs a few games rest..and a sit in a dark corner to think about his performances!
Maybe it's just me, but he always seems to look like he'd rather be somewhere else. Probably sees City as no more than a stepping stone to 'better' things..
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
Maybe it's just me, but he always seems to look like he'd rather be somewhere else. Probably sees City as no more than a stepping stone to 'better' things..
Agree mate. He looked very disinterested yesterday and has for a while.
Apart from when he turned their defender in the first half and had acres of space to run into..when the ref blew up.. I don't think he did a lot.
There was no anticipation of where the ball was going to be played a few times..and not just him..
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
He looked absolutely gassed not uninterested.
The forward position always gets criticism for lack of effort.
Patterson was having a go at him. When it is far harder chasing down four defenders as a long striker than in centre mid. Endless shuttle runs with little hope of achieving anything
Patterson gets the ball? Just dump it off top the nearest player. Zohore has to counter attack all on his own at times.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
Zohore's hold up play is exemplary, he isn't built to run all day but he gives it a go. Compared to someone like kenwyn he is the energiser bunny. Could obviously do with a few more goals, a very high percentage of goals are stunners, I don't think his movement in the box gives him much of a chance of the kind of tap ins a 25 goal a year striker gets.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
Zohore's hold up play is exemplary, he isn't built to run all day but he gives it a go. Compared to someone like kenwyn he is the energiser bunny. Could obviously do with a few more goals, a very high percentage of goals are stunners, I don't think his movement in the box gives him much of a chance of the kind of tap ins a 25 goal a year striker gets.
I haven't knocked his work rate.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
Ken looks about a couple of stone heavier than he was at the start of the season,he is nowhere near proper fitness and done next to nothing yesterday. Time after time he let Kompany stroll past him with the ball without challenging him. Pilkington should have come on at haif time.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
He wasn't anticipating passes or making runs..we looked flat because of it..
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
He pressed without any intensity which is why he looked lazy but I suppose that was because the manager told him to conserve his energy for 90 mins, though I think he lasted around 70.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
We looked far more dangerous when Pilkington came on
I'm gutted Ward is out for the rest of the season, he was improving every game
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
I feel a bit for Ken. We dont seem to be able to give him the right ball so that he can turn the defender and run at them. Obviously defenders know he can be unstoppable if he turns them and mark him accordingly but the service doesn't help.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
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Originally Posted by
joecity
I feel a bit for Ken. We dont seem to be able to give him the right ball so that he can turn the defender and run at them. Obviously defenders know he can be unstoppable if he turns them and mark him accordingly but the service doesn't help.
He had it once lastnight early on and the ref blew up for something (couldn't see why from family stand) other times he wasn't anticipating the ball so the midfiwld/wingers could hardly play a decent pass because he simply wasn't making the run.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
Nothing's changed.
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php...-for-best-deal
Also wouldn't be surprised to see Grabban on loan & signing on McGoldrick
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
Ken looked good first half. He held it up and linked well with NM-L on a couple of occasions but was then chasing shadows for much of the rest of the game.
He was knackered and the time when they were knocking it round at the back when Patterson had a go at him, cheeky fecker, I felt for him.
He was getting criticised from some know-it-alls around me and it was all I could do to keep my powder dry.
You play a lone striker and the rest back off, it's tough.
Pilks looked better when he came on because he was fresh, able to run lost causes.
It's is true though, we do need a striker through the door as cover, along with a centre midfielder but running out of time.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
He was pretty much trying to cover half the pitch I don't know what else he could've done. Kompany is one of the best defenders in the world he's just been unfortunate with injuries you don't just knock the ball past him
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
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Originally Posted by
MacAdder
Ken looked good first half. He held it up and linked well with NM-L on a couple of occasions but was then chasing shadows for much of the rest of the game.
He was knackered and the time when they were knocking it round at the back when Patterson had a go at him, cheeky fecker, I felt for him.
He was getting criticised from some know-it-alls around me and it was all I could do to keep my powder dry.
You play a lone striker and the rest back off, it's tough.
Pilks looked better when he came on because he was fresh, able to run lost causes.
It's is true though, we do need a striker through the door as cover, along with a centre midfielder but running out of time.
I agree with that bit of what you've written but what Ken didn't do was make the runs to draw the defenders away with him. He was too static when we were attacking and was therefore easy to pick off. I think he's carrying a bit too much weight after his injury and plays as if he is still not completely sure of his ankle. We can't wait much longer for him to start looking interested in harrying the other team's defence again. Paterson was well within his rights to have a go at Zohore if we were meant to be doing a full pitch press.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
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Originally Posted by
jamieccfc
He was pretty much trying to cover half the pitch I don't know what else he could've done. Kompany is one of the best defenders in the world he's just been unfortunate with injuries you don't just knock the ball past him
Nah you keep it close to him where he can nab it off you a lot easier.
I know Ken ran a lot, his work rate I will not slag off.
First half he had an open pitch to run the ball into because he beat his man by dipping his shoulder and reading the pass (ref blew up)
Second half he was flat footed making it hard to pass the ball to him and expect anything to come of it.
Surely they work on things in training so should know between them what is coming as they break up the wing..
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
He looks a little bit too laid back ATM for me. He was smiling to all and sundry in the tunnel. I would have like to have seen a bit more of a game face on him in a big game like that.
Probably a load of bollox like but it did strike me when watching him come out that he just didn't really look focused and fired up like some players do.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
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Originally Posted by
Baloo
He looks a little bit too laid back ATM for me. He was smiling to all and sundry in the tunnel. I would have like to have seen a bit more of a game face on him in a big game like that.
Probably a load of bollox like but it did strike me when watching him come out that he just didn't really look focused and fired up like some players do.
He does seem to be playing without that desire to really impose himself on a game. I really thought he'd want to show the world what he could do against Kompany but he didn't even force him to break sweat...
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
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Originally Posted by
BuyingManCityTickets
He looked absolutely gassed not uninterested.
The forward position always gets criticism for lack of effort.
Patterson was having a go at him. When it is far harder chasing down four defenders as a long striker than in centre mid. Endless shuttle runs with little hope of achieving anything
Patterson gets the ball? Just dump it off top the nearest player. Zohore has to counter attack all on his own at times.
Patterson yelled at him because rather than pressing as the others were doing, Zohore turned his back to a defender and ambled away. That meant others work was wasted because Zohore had given their player a simple pass to make.
I don't doubt he was tired but let's be blunt, what we've seen recently is the Zohore that was on his way out of the club, not the Zohore who had a kick up the arse from Warnock last season.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
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Originally Posted by
Penarth Blues
I agree with that bit of what you've written but what Ken didn't do was make the runs to draw the defenders away with him. He was too static when we were attacking and was therefore easy to pick off. I think he's carrying a bit too much weight after his injury and plays as if he is still not completely sure of his ankle. We can't wait much longer for him to start looking interested in harrying the other team's defence again. Paterson was well within his rights to have a go at Zohore if we were meant to be doing a full pitch press.
If I remember correctly there were 2 possibly 3 defenders strewn across the back with the keeper the additional "sweeper", and Big Ken the lone forward. They were passing it sideways, then back, then sideways, then forward, then sideways..... (this for 2-3 minutes)... with the whole City team expecting them to eventually come out and attack us. Well they didn't.
So you have a lone striker, forget the fact he isn't quite up to full match fitness and has ran himself to distraction with very little service, expected to chase them down single handedly in the hope of nicking the ball.... against the current best side in the country.
You cannot play a full pitch press 3 or 4 against one :shrug:
If we were playing that system, then others weren't picking up their man and thus was Paterson out of order to have a go at Big Ken.
We weren't actually playing a press at all though, as if we had they would have torn us to shreds as they have others.
No, by this time, we were more than happy to play damage limitation but at that point NW put Pilkington on as it had started to look embarrassing. That is when Pilks did the chasing across the back and they actually couldn't take any chances and came out a bit.
Either that or they took pity on us.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
At the point Patterson yelled, Hoilett, Mendez-Laing and he were all pressing through. Zohore turned his back on the ball, walked away from defender giving them an easy ball.
Don't disagree with the rest of your points but at that time, we did press and Zohore had given them an out. Patterson was in the right then.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
I’ve got faith in big Ken, I’m sure he’ll come good.
He did try and close down yesterday but it was a pretty fruitless task on his own. Anyway I think it’s a little unfair to judge him on yesterday’s game. Having come back from injury to find that, rather than breaking at pace against teams, we now seemed to be launching bombs at him, unsurprisingly he struggled. There seemed to be signs of improvement after our four match losing run, then we get this game.
I’m hoping that getting back to more normal opposition on Saturday, Wildschut coming back in and, fingers crossed, Bamba returning, we’ll see a continuation of that imorovment.
Beating leeds would certainly put smiles back on everyone’s faces.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
I don't know that he'll come good, at least not with us.
We saw what he could do after Warnock gave him a bollocking. Started this season putting the effort in but not scoring. At no time this season has he looked close to the player he was the second half of last season.
That could have been just a purple patch, as someone said might be looking for his next club, lots of reasons.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
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Originally Posted by
ccfc_is_my_life
At the point Patterson yelled, Hoilett, Mendez-Laing and he were all pressing through. Zohore turned his back on the ball, walked away from defender giving them an easy ball.
Don't disagree with the rest of your points but at that time, we did press and Zohore had given them an out. Patterson was in the right then.
Well it made sense to bring him off when he did and get Pilks on then, sounds like you had a better view than mine.
I stand by my view on KZ. Outplayed by the better side in every department not just his.
I also reiterate my point that we do need cover for him up top as I feel he got overplayed, like others, and picked up the knocks which have seen him not hit the heights of early season.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
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Originally Posted by
MacAdder
Well it made sense to bring him off when he did and get Pilks on then, sounds like you had a better view than mine.
I stand by my view on KZ. Outplayed by the better side in every department not just his.
I also reiterate my point that we do need cover for him up top as I feel he got overplayed, like others, and picked up the knocks which have seen him not hit the heights of early season.
I'm viewing him on the whole season, taking into account injuries. Absolutely talented, no question. Works hard, no question. Things aren't clicking for him and in my opinion, not convinced it will for a while if at all whilst he remains here.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
I think it's telling that Zohore's last match for us before injury was the 1-0 defeat at Birmingham. While he was crocked, we won 7 out of 10, losing 1. The very moment he comes back into the first team we've lost 6 out of 9 (albeit one of those was to Man City) with our only 2 wins coming at 3rd tier Mansfield (who we couldn't beat at home) and a 4-0 thumping of an absolutely woeful Sunderland (who would have lost to a bottom division side that day, they were that poor).
I'd drop him straight away. I'd give Bogle a run in the side. He's not afraid to put in the hard work and take defenders on. Zohore hasn't looked interested since we turned down Everton last summer. His goalscoring record is also the worst of all our strikers.
£15million for him? We should have bitten Everton's hand off. He's not worth that at the moment.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
Maybe it's just me, but he always seems to look like he'd rather be somewhere else. Probably sees City as no more than a stepping stone to 'better' things..
His form has dipped since the last transfer window. Maybe he is sulking?
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
£15million for him? We should have bitten Everton's hand off. He's not worth that at the moment.
I agree.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
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Originally Posted by
joecity
I feel a bit for Ken. We dont seem to be able to give him the right ball so that he can turn the defender and run at them. Obviously defenders know he can be unstoppable if he turns them and mark him accordingly but the service doesn't help.
That's the one poor service ,our dip has gone were flat not just Ken the wide lads as well, thankfully we have the Norwich lad to come In , perhaps Kadem and Healey ,and the way Warnocks chatting Pilk' s maybe in with a shout. Pity Tomlin hasn't shown his desire in training .
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
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Originally Posted by
Penarth Blues
He does seem to be playing without that desire to really impose himself on a game. I really thought he'd want to show the world what he could do against Kompany but he didn't even force him to break sweat...
That was the most disappointing part of Zohore's performance for me. As I mentioned in my blog, there were two chances for him in the first half to go on the sort of run on which the reputation he gained for himself before his injury was founded (unlike some others, I thought his performance levels were fine until he got injured in October) as we found the right type of pass for him after all of the dross he has had put his way since his return just before Christmas, and he seemed to either not trust his body enough or not have the confidence to really go for it.
One thing I would say though is that it seems unfair to me that Zohore is being singled out after Sunday's game - yes, he should have been thinking "today is a great opportunity for me and I should do all I can to take it" beforehand, but shouldn't the other ten who started the match have been thinking the same as well? For us to have had a chance, we needed about eight of our team to be turning in eight out of ten performances or better - I don't think anyone deserved such a marking.
Zohore, and most others in the side, was worth six out of ten at best. Who can anyone think of who had a good game? For me Etheridge did well, but it tends to say something about a teams display when the keeper gets singled out for praise, Richards and Morrison played okay, Hoilett had his moments and, fair play to him, Feeney was lively when he came on - as for the rest, I believe they should all have been thinking "I could have played a lot better than that" yesterday.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
I blame Warnock for Ken’s performance.
To me he looked completely exhausted. If that was the case he would have known he was knackered and shouldn’t have played him.
If he was just being lazy, then I didn’t see Warnock bollocking him and should have subbed him.
Let’s be honest though most of us couldn’t have cared if we went out against Mansfield.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
He shouldn’t have been tir d coming into that match - no way
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
Zohore spent all the game chasing the ball whilst their defenders knocked the ball around. Of course he was knackered
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
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Originally Posted by
City123
We looked far more dangerous when Pilkington came on
I'm gutted Ward is out for the rest of the season, he was improving every game
Wards a jobber compared to Zohore, hasn't got and ounce of his class.
I thought Zohore worked hard despite clearly not being match fit and having a constant stream of long balls lumped up to him when he wants it into feet.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
I think it's telling that Zohore's last match for us before injury was the 1-0 defeat at Birmingham. While he was crocked, we won 7 out of 10, losing 1. The very moment he comes back into the first team we've lost 6 out of 9 (albeit one of those was to Man City) with our only 2 wins coming at 3rd tier Mansfield (who we couldn't beat at home) and a 4-0 thumping of an absolutely woeful Sunderland (who would have lost to a bottom division side that day, they were that poor).
I'd drop him straight away. I'd give Bogle a run in the side. He's not afraid to put in the hard work and take defenders on. Zohore hasn't looked interested since we turned down Everton last summer. His goalscoring record is also the worst of all our strikers.
£15million for him? We should have bitten Everton's hand off. He's not worth that at the moment.
This is absolutely laughable. He was injured against Birmingham, for starters and was playing well before that in my opinion. Zohore came back into a side not playing well, we laboured to a draw over Reading, beat Hull by the odd goal and had been awful in the first half against Norwich. Then, God help us how bad we were against Bolton. Then Zohore comes on. We were horrible against Fulham again, and keep lumping balls up to him with no support. Our drop in form has nothing to do with the strikers, they'd all be on a hiding to nothing, as they have been for months.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Zohore came back into a side not playing well, we laboured to a draw over Reading, beat Hull by the odd goal and had been awful in the first half against Norwich.
But despite not playing all that well we managed to score 2 at Forest, 3 at home to Norwich and 2 at Reading. At least we were scoring goals, something which stopped when Zohore came back into the team.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
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Originally Posted by
Louth
Zohore spent all the game chasing the ball whilst their defenders knocked the ball around. Of course he was knackered
It's not his effort that bothers me in the slightest. That's not in question. Neither is the fact that he had a thankless job to do on his own...
Completely different issue...he wasn't anticipating passes from midfield so would be facing back when we were coming forward and looking to knock the ball past for him to run on to...he had no idea where to position himself for flick ons..all things that should be worked on day after day in training and they should all know in their sleep? Surely?
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
I thought he looked ****ed on Sunday. He kept pulling up instead of chasing the ball. If he wasn't carrying a knock or completely spent, I'd say he played like he didn't care.
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Re: We need a new striker ASAP Zohore isn't looking up to it.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
But despite not playing all that well we managed to score 2 at Forest, 3 at home to Norwich and 2 at Reading. At least we were scoring goals, something which stopped when Zohore came back into the team.
We were bloody awful at Bolton way before we came on, and it took a set piece to beat Hull.
Re Forest, that was over a month before Zohore came back, after we laboured to a 1-0 win vs Barnsley (I was there, at the time I thought it was a great win). We've not been playing well for a while. Teams have been walking through our midfield, and we've started to concede sloppy goals. To blame it on Zohore is incorrect; he may not be playing well but that is only one side to the story. Our problems have been glossed over by our hard work and we've had a bit of luck. Now that's worn out, we're increasingly one-dimensional and our season is in grave danger of petering out. Whoever we have up front is feeding off scraps, and has been for a while. The last goals our strikers scored was Zohore (Fulham, 26 Dec) and Bogle (Norwich 1st Dec). That is 8 and 12 games ago. Why isn't the ball getting to our strikers in dangerous postions, and why aren't we getting bodies around him?