Covid 19.....You are going to get it ....100%

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Originally Posted by uncle bob

I'm so glad I've had it and recovered from it.
I go out now without worrying if I'm going to catch it. I still take a bit of caution like social distancing for other people's peace of mind and I will wear gloves if I push a supermarket trolley.
I no longer feel afraid to go out and be around people like I did when before I caught it.

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I'm glad you recovered from it - were you tested?

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Was he tested?

People in his office may have caught it and been asymptomatic. The general R0 figure was 2.28 on the Princess Diamond ship. It does not follow that one person will pass it on to everyone that they are in contact with.

He probably caught it from breathing in droplets from an infected person (who may have also been asymptomatic)

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No . He had all the symptoms . He has been quite poorly .
I know Tim didn’t go to hospital , not sure about his colleague , therefore they wouldn’t be counted as having the virus . Correct ?
Would be interesting to see how many people we know that have had it and they haven’t been registered . How many people visit this board , a few hundred ?

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

No . He had all the symptoms . He has been quite poorly .
I know Tim didn’t go to hospital , not sure about his colleague , therefore they wouldn’t be counted as having the virus . Correct ?
Would be interesting to see how many people we know that have had it and they haven’t been registered . How many people visit this board , a few hundred ?

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Then how do you know he has had it?

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Without doubt it's a lottery to some extent. A lottery we have more chance of winning if we keep our distance and stay at home.

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Shouldn’t the whole country be locked down full stop then ?

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Then how do you know he has had it?

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Never mind .

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Never mind .

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So you don't know he has had it. It could be the flu which has many of the same symptoms. This is the big issue, we need more testing. We have people thinking they've had it, but actually haven't, walking around like supermen as if they have life-long immunity, but that also hasn't been scientifically proven.

What I am saying is that a load of you are making assumptions that are as dangerous as the virus itself.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

So you don't know he has had it. It could be the flu which has many of the same symptoms. This is the big issue, we need more testing. We have people thinking they've had it, but actually haven't, walking around like supermen as if they have life-long immunity, but that also hasn't been scientifically proven.

What I am saying is that a load of you are making assumptions that are as dangerous as the virus itself.

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You're talking incredibly confidently about a whole lot of very specialist subjects, what is it you do for a living? Serious question

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Originally Posted by delmbox

You're talking incredibly confidently about a whole lot of very specialist subjects, what is it you do for a living? Serious question

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What makes you think I am talking confidently. Someone makes a claim (two people in this thread alone either claim to have had it, or know someone who has). The logical question is "Were you tested?".

Similarly, people talk about immunity, but the science papers I have read are inconclusive.

Similarly, people talk like this is a one-off. Again the science papers I have read indicate that there is nothing to prevent a covid-21, covid-23 or covid-24.

I don't have any answers, and haven't really offered any. I have a strong interest in science related news items, and I would like to think that I apply a critical thought process to things I read.

There are, at best, 46 strains of this virus. From my understanding, viruses usually mutate into something weaker. However, the one question I have been asking myself (and for which I can find no answers) is does one vaccine defeat all covid-19 infections?

People often equate this with the flu. But, there are various strains of the flu. When you get a flu vaccination, it doesn't protect you against the flu full stop. It protects you against the most likely strain for the winter. That doesn't mean you shouldn't get vaccinated, but what it does mean is that you should not expect to be immune from the flu simply from the vaccine. At best you are 60% immune - if lucky.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

What makes you think I am talking confidently. Someone makes a claim (two people in this thread alone either claim to have had it, or know someone who has). The logical question is "Were you tested?".

Similarly, people talk about immunity, but the science papers I have read are inconclusive.

Similarly, people talk like this is a one-off. Again the science papers I have read indicate that there is nothing to prevent a covid-21, covid-23 or covid-24.

I don't have any answers, and haven't really offered any. I have a strong interest in science related news items, and I would like to think that I apply a critical thought process to things I read.

There are, at best, 46 strains of this virus. From my understanding, viruses usually mutate into something weaker. However, the one question I have been asking myself (and for which I can find no answers) is does one vaccine defeat all covid-19 infections?

People often equate this with the flu. But, there are various strains of the flu. When you get a flu vaccination, it doesn't protect you against the flu full stop. It protects you against the most likely strain for the winter. That doesn't mean you shouldn't get vaccinated, but what it does mean is that you should not expect to be immune from the flu simply from the vaccine. At best you are 60% immune - if lucky.

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Yeah , but what do you do for a living ?

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

What makes you think I am talking confidently. Someone makes a claim (two people in this thread alone either claim to have had it, or know someone who has). The logical question is "Were you tested?".

Similarly, people talk about immunity, but the science papers I have read are inconclusive.

Similarly, people talk like this is a one-off. Again the science papers I have read indicate that there is nothing to prevent a covid-21, covid-23 or covid-24.

I don't have any answers, and haven't really offered any. I have a strong interest in science related news items, and I would like to think that I apply a critical thought process to things I read.

There are, at best, 46 strains of this virus. From my understanding, viruses usually mutate into something weaker. However, the one question I have been asking myself (and for which I can find no answers) is does one vaccine defeat all covid-19 infections?

People often equate this with the flu. But, there are various strains of the flu. When you get a flu vaccination, it doesn't protect you against the flu full stop. It protects you against the most likely strain for the winter. That doesn't mean you shouldn't get vaccinated, but what it does mean is that you should not expect to be immune from the flu simply from the vaccine. At best you are 60% immune - if lucky.

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I am not quite sure where my local testing station is ?
I am sure you do . Share ..

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Yeah , but what do you do for a living ?

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He's a protocol droid. fluent in 6 million forms of communication.

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Originally Posted by Nelsonca61

He's a protocol droid. fluent in 6 million forms of communication.

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I thought so .

:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

I am not quite sure where my local testing station is ?
I am sure you do . Share ..

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How does lawnmower know he has had covid-19?

How does Uncle Bob?

It's not a difficult question. If there has been no test, what makes lawnmower and uncle bob qualified to say they had covid-19 and not the flu?

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

How does lawnmower know he has had covid-19?

How does Uncle Bob?

It's not a difficult question. If there has been no test, what makes lawnmower and uncle bob qualified to say they had covid-19 and not the flu?

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Is the flu going about impersonating covid 19 ?

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Is the flu going about impersonating covid 19 ?

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In the absence of a test, how does lawnmower and how does Uncle Bob know they have covid-19?

Why is Uncle Bob walking around thinking "I've had it, so I am ok"?

I am not saying they HAVEN'T had covid-19, I am asking how do they know they HAVE had covid-19?

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

There is no cure .

There wont be a vaccine for some time .

For the country to move forward and get back on its feet , on the whole ,we all have to get it .

Once the number of deaths drop below a certain point , restrictions will be lifted and we will start again.

The deaths are being controlled , which is of course sensible .

The hospital in the millennium stadium is a sign of things to come .

The only positive I can think about it at the moment is a lot of us have had it and aren't aware.

Anyone disagree with my interpretation of the current situation ?

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Not everyone is going to be exposed to it in an unvaccinated state.

I think this thread is showing the dangers of us arriving at judgements on a subject that, let's face it, nearly all of us knew buggar all about a couple of months ago. That's why I often qualify what I say with the words "I may be wrong here". And I'll do so again here.

From what I can gather, the scientific community have been caught on the hop somewhat because it was thought that the next pandemic would be a variant of the flu, hence the apparent lack of progress on the vaccines for corona viruses - they haven't been essential in the past. I'd also add a personal view here in that the fact that it is relatively rich western countries that are being worst affected will concentrate minds more than if it were the usual suspects so to speak and so I would not be surprised at all to see a vaccine available before some of the predictions in this thread.

I know there are those who, maybe justifiably, are wary of Chinese figures, but they probably are the best things we can go on for now and there seems little in them so far to suggest that you can catch the virus again after having it- I say that having also read something by an expert in the field who said that there are always a very small percentage of people who have a second bout of any pandemic virus.

Returning to my first point, the fact that so little work was being done on finding vaccines for corona viruses until recently suggests that the likelihood of Covid 21., 22, 24 etc is low historically doesn't it? Again though, I qualify all of the above by adding that they are the opinions of someone who is far, far from a specialist in this field.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

How does lawnmower know he has had covid-19?

How does Uncle Bob?

It's not a difficult question. If there has been no test, what makes lawnmower and uncle bob qualified to say they had covid-19 and not the flu?

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Seems a fair question to be honest..
I'm not saying they haven't had it but would also like to know how they know they have had it?

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

That is why I said "there is every chance". Just as there is "every chance" this goes away..... I am saying do not be surprised if we are in a similar situation in November 2020, or in 2022, or 2024. This could very well be with us for a long time.

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You're using this sort of language repeatedly. There is no evidence for it and it's really not helpful.

There is a chance we'll have lock-downs for five years or more, not every chance.

As for being in the same position in November 2020, or 2022, or 2024, the fact of the matter is that you have no more idea what the situation will be then than anybody else does, although you like to make it sound like you do.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

What I am saying is that a load of you are making assumptions that are as dangerous as the virus itself.

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And you're not?

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Because there could be various strains.

Because there could be a new strain in 2022, or 2024, or 2025.

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Could be. Could be. Could be.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

We will get restrictions lifted and put back in place for at least 18 months.

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Is that a fact?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I think this thread is showing the dangers of us arriving at judgements on a subject that, let's face it, nearly all of us knew buggar all about a couple of months ago. That's why I often qualify what I say with the words "I may be wrong here". And I'll do so again here.

From what I can gather, the scientific community have been caught on the hop somewhat because it was thought that the next pandemic would be a variant of the flu, hence the apparent lack of progress on the vaccines for corona viruses - they haven't been essential in the past. I'd also add a personal view here in that the fact that it is relatively rich western countries that are being worst affected will concentrate minds more than if it were the usual suspects so to speak and so I would not be surprised at all to see a vaccine available before some of the predictions in this thread.

I know there are those who, maybe justifiably, are wary of Chinese figures, but they probably are the best things we can go on for now and there seems little in them so far to suggest that you can catch the virus again after having it- I say that having also read something by an expert in the field who said that there are always a very small percentage of people who have a second bout of any pandemic virus.

Returning to my first point, the fact that so little work was being done on finding vaccines for corona viruses until recently suggests that the likelihood of Covid 21., 22, 24 etc is low historically doesn't it? Again though, I qualify all of the above by adding that they are the opinions of someone who is far, far from a specialist in this field.

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Well, the likelihood of a Covid-19 was also low. But, here we are. I would like to think that we would be better prepared for any subsequent one but, until we resolve the current issue globally, we won't be.

A recent study in China of 262 recovered sufferers found that 38 tested positive for Covid-19 after being discharged. That doesn't mean reinfection, but it could mean reinfection. It could also be that there are traces of the virus after recovery, or it could mean that there were problems with the first test.

So, the question of immunity hasn't been answered. I have seen estimates as low as few months to as high as a few years. That is why there is, in my opinion, a possibility of further waves of this going on for a few years (based on the premise that a vaccine is difficult to produce). I see as much evidence for this scenario as there is evidence this is a one wave pandemic.

It's also not helpful that people walk around thinking they have had it and are therefore immune to it. Firstly, these people have never been tested so they are assuming they've had it. Secondly, they are assuming that they are now immune. Thirdly, they are assuming that they can no longer be a transmitter of the disease. Their assumptions may well be correct, but if they are not correct they are putting themselves in danger. I wouldn't want to get Covid-19 at all, let alone a few weeks after a nasty flu infection.

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Well, the likelihood of a Covid-19 was also low. But, here we are. I would like to think that we would be better prepared for any subsequent one but, until we resolve the current issue globally, we won't be.

A recent study in China of 262 recovered sufferers found that 38 tested positive for Covid-19 after being discharged. That doesn't mean reinfection, but it could mean reinfection. It could also be that there are traces of the virus after recovery, or it could mean that there were problems with the first test.

So, the question of immunity hasn't been answered. I have seen estimates as low as few months to as high as a few years. That is why there is, in my opinion, a possibility of further waves of this going on for a few years (based on the premise that a vaccine is difficult to produce). I see as much evidence for this scenario as there is evidence this is a one wave pandemic.

It's also not helpful that people walk around thinking they have had it and are therefore immune to it. Firstly, these people have never been tested so they are assuming they've had it. Secondly, they are assuming that they are now immune. Thirdly, they are assuming that they can no longer be a transmitter of the disease. Their assumptions may well be correct, but if they are not correct they are putting themselves in danger. I wouldn't want to get Covid-19 at all, let alone a few weeks after a nasty flu infection.

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So what you're saying is that your opinion is different to mine, but, still, neither of us can be sure of what were saying and we cannot speak with any great authority on this subject, hence my frequent use of I could be wrong.