What parent allows their seven year old child to sleepover with a grown man
Guilty !!
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What parent allows their seven year old child to sleepover with a grown man
Guilty !!
Mrs Wise let young Ernie sleep with Eric well into his 40s!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Looking forward to it, I like some of his music, saw him live at the arms park many years ago
Of course the guy was a very strange weirdo, but these people who come forward were always happy to settle out of court for huge amounts of money, they always look like they are driven by the greed to earn dollars out of it, surely they would have wanted justice ? ? ? and not a few mill bucks ? ? ?
This latest 2, one of them has been working with the family putting on MJ tribute shows since MJ's death, then was still so traumatised by it all he wanted to be the dance director at the MJ One show at the mandalay bay in las vegas, he was snubbed and then this all happened
But having said that, would i have let my kids sleep over with the weirdo, Hell no
What time is it on?
Starting now on C4 + 1Quote:
Originally Posted by SABlue
Bloody hell ........ he's not holding back on what happened between him and Michael :puke:
what did he say..fell asleep
I didn't watch it. I'll probably watch it on the weekend. But this is a pretty interesting article. It might give you a bit of insight as to why some of them settled out of court.
https://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/1995/09/orth199509
blimey what them fellas had to say i cringed at... i have kids same age as they were when supposed to be abused
something is not right, everyone sort of knows somethings not right yet choose to become mj evertime beat it or im bad comes on...lol
same sort of thing is going on with r kelly now only he is alive to defend himself, and same thing happened with the likes of bill cosby, rolf harris, stuart hall, jimmy savage, to name but a few...
agreed the mums and dads did not have to bow down to mj and allow these kids to sleep in the same room and bed as him i dont know how they can live with them selves if mj did what them lads say he did... shocking
love when folks come out the woodwork to defend him too saying he didnt do anything... they were not there!
with r kelly its well documented he married aaliyah (r&b singer) who was like what 14 at the time, she passed away in a air crash and cant defend or accuse now either
also well documented mj paid off some of these kids and there families to keep quiet... that wade lad is a celeb in his own circles now, ok off the back of mj no doubt but he will have probably gone on to be a success in his own right in australia if hed have stayed there... but he is a success on his own and doing well for himself surely he dont need to be on tv saying mj stuck his tongue in his ****... blimey
elvis ? he met his wife when she was 14 didnt he ? not much gets said about him
all i do know is most of my childhood heroes are either locked up, dead or paedos
One thinking they can make a fortune out of allegations?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
They probably made up the allegations to get money. And got lucky when they accurately described his penis.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
Haven't seen it but read enough over the years to feel it's a cash grab. They both in court had previously defended him, as adults.
https://deadline.com/2019/03/corey-f...nd-1202569445/
This was quite interesting from another who was around Jackson at a similar time.
Didn't one of the lads form part of Jacko's defence in his 2005 court case , isn't he known / prone to alleged lying, according to his mum ?
The documentary doesn't provide any counter evidence or balance, It is compelling however ,there two sides to every story in my view .
You do wonder why now , why wait this long , is it the season of revelations with #me too , R Kelly and countless other cases , why not say something in 2005 .
I can't believe how many people think all these people are making it all up- just for money.
People are also really asking why it has taken them so long to come out publicly. People are really wondering that?!
yes! If i was raped or sexually interfered with , i wouldn't wait 10,15,20 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
Im guessing you werent then. If you had or had had much experience with people who had been sexually abused as children you would understand how silly your comment is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK
Off the top of my head the average is about 25 years before people abused as children tell anyone.
Good post,people who get groomed in their minds are still under the control of the offender no matter what age they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
Exactly. It doesn't happen overnight.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
It also involves the grooming of parents etc to allow the necessary access to the child. Yes of course in hindsight the parents who allowed this look awful. But we need to understand how easy it is for people to get caught up in this. "He seems alright". "We've got to know him now". That kind of thinking.
The same as the gary bennell case and all the children footballers he had in his house. Uncanny similarities to Michael Jackson- bennells house was also described as a child's dream.
This how they work, get the parents trust and go from there.Clever devious cunning.Total control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
which works in normal casesQuote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
Yet wade has been working with the family putting on MJ tribute shows since MJ's death, he then wanted to be the dance director at the MJ One show at the mandalay bay in las vegas
Or Maybe he read the court transcripts from the court case that he was defending MJ ?Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
From my limited understanding of how child abuse is reported, it is possible to repress memories of events and for these to submerge later in life. It also seems to be true that when a well known person is accused it gives confidence to other victims to come forward and it encourages others to come forward who, sometimes because they've unconsciously joined innocent memories into a false narrative, are not victims of the abuse they are alleging.
Part two tonight, is it? Hopefully in the very least it's giving parents/guardians a kick up the arse. Maybe it will also help change how we treat "child stars" and allow celebrities to act.
I am not sure with all the will in the world would you trust your young lad having a sleep over with a grown man and sleep in the same bedQuote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
were they blinded by / chose to ignore the thought of MJ making a star of there son ? ? ?
That's awful, I couldn't imagine how difficult it would be to hold something like that inside for so long it's no wonder that a lot of abused end up killing themselvesQuote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
To be fair to Wade, he sounds like a straight up honourable guy, maybe I was wrong to doubt him
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Former MJJ music exec Clyde Jenkins: to Wade Robson: "you should be ashamed..I personally recall your Mom Joy calling MJJ Music with a sob story about needing money knowing that Michael Jackson loved her and her entire family and would do anything to help her."<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://t.co/3mRLjJmqlm">pic.twitter.com/3mRLjJmqlm</a></p>— Leaving Neverland Facts (@NeverlandFacts) <a href="https://twitter.com/NeverlandFacts/status/1103077246691041281?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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My wife is watching it. I can't deal with it.
The bloke is a pedophile, the kids parents sold them out for fame and fortune.
Those men were groomed as children hence the way they speak about him with such reverence still to this day shows his ability to manipulate them as children.
All under his employment should be disgusted with themselves because they all took the coin to turn a blind eye. It's disgusting that the ***** music is still played on tv and radio.
Mad how people will do mental gymnastics to defend him because they like his music.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
If it was just some guy in the street who did it you would be calling for the death penalty to be brought back.
I'm talking about the kids who described it before it went to court.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
Unless they are groomed to marry an IS fighter as a child, in which case they are fully responsibleQuote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
I don't think it is because of his music, I guess the fact that he was very wealthy means he was able to buy expensive legal representation, who can put up a plausible defenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
I meant people like Matt, he’d want his citizenship stripped if he wasn’t a good singer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Anyone else reckon Jackson faked his own death to rid himself of all this? It could be true......
ok i was out by 5 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
i feel sorry for the kids
any kids that have been abused
jacksons kids.
It's clear that his talent and what he meant to people, as well as the court case in which he was found not guilty, is making some people judge his legacy with rose-tinted glasses. There was a quote I posted in another thread which basically asked whether we should be replacing the word "or" with "and" whenever we say he was, for example, a child abuser or child protector.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
I've seen the big eared boys on the farmQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY