Wonder what he’s thinking
Started last week ,Left on the bench yesterday then Harris , Ward and then Reid come on when we’re looking for a goal
:shrug::shrug:
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Wonder what he’s thinking
Started last week ,Left on the bench yesterday then Harris , Ward and then Reid come on when we’re looking for a goal
:shrug::shrug:
I know. It would be nice to be a fly-on-the-wall in training.Quote:
Originally Posted by walinoz
Can anybody truly remember the last time he's put in a stellar performance?
Personally, I've often thought that he hasn't put blood and sweat into his performances and can also be a bit hesitant.
Also, he was imposed on us, wasn't he? I mean that he was given to us by Vinny's other club, rather than heavily scouted etc. I admit I'm not certain of that fact, so will appreciate any correction.
You said it, need a goal. That’s whyQuote:
Originally Posted by walinoz
Need to get rid.
In many ways he reminds me of Josh King. He struggled for a long time with lack of games, injuries and wasn’t preforming. I believe Zahore needs a good run of games and encouragement to see his true potential. He isn’t getting either right now, and he might not get it either. Hope he is working positively on his mindset, rather than looking for an out at this point.
We're chopping and changing too much for my liking we need to play one and stick with them for a bit, look at wolves starting with the same team for the 8th game running
We don’t not have time to let him find form. He’s doesn’t look like he’s trying half the time. Get rid.
I thought he played well against Burnley but needs a goal
Don’t forget a player we signed as a right back started the game as centre forward !Quote:
Originally Posted by walinoz
Probably agent getting in his head.
And think he will be sold this January.
Goes to show how shit Zohore isat this level. Im glad hes not starting, wins feck all above chest height and doesnt close anyone down. Ward and Madine every time ahead of him for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by billy.ronson
To who? He's not proven at ANY level. One good season. Been missing ever since.Quote:
Originally Posted by fred keenor
Weren't Everton going to offer £15m for him a few seasons ago?
Brighton made an offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
They were, but holding onto him was exactly the right thing to do at the time as it demonstrated an ambition that we all thought might had gone. There was a lot more riding on him staying than just turning a profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Ken has been a key part of our getting to the Premiership but he seems a little too immature to take advantage of it on the surface. He's going to have to roll his sleeves up in both training and on the pitch.
I was actually really pleased to see the effort he put in against Burnley at the start but he's now got to work on speed of thought and taking half chances. His shot against Hart was another positive step in that direction.
I think Zohore will have a role to play for us this year (hopefully) but he's running out of time to prove this to himself and NW. I'd hoped that his new kid would make him realise how important it is that he succeeds. It seems to have had the opposite effect so far
True. But he must also be confused while we play a central defender in his position. Maybe we could move Murphy down the right flank and have him and Hoilett up supporting Zahore. But the right wing is also occupied, by a central midfielder.Quote:
Originally Posted by billy.ronson
I believe Etheridge is one of our most successful passers, he has the highest passrate doesn’t he?
Maybe he should cover for Ralls and Zahore could have a run as goalie?
Two wingers doesn't work, as we don't get any shots on target with that formation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolff
If taking the discussion in that direction, I believe we need to be much more compact. The 4-4-1-1 is leaving us disjointed. We can keep it together in short spells, but it opens us up, and drain the players to fatigue. Going forward we can’t get enough players up there, and when we do, we have no chance going back fast enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Although I dislike the formation, I believe a 4-5-1 turning 4-3-3 going forward is the way to go with this squad. If that means wingers or wide midfielders is the same, but three of them will need to brake fast.
My point on a lot of players out of position is that it’s very difficult finding a good rhythm of play.
you almost feel grateful when you see Zohore chasing down a defender. He's got talent for sure, but what's undeniable is unlike his teamates, he rarely puts in 100%.
4 4 1 1 is basically 4 5 1 just with an advanced midfielder, and it isn't working, I don't think anything will work with the players we have. There's a severe lack of pace and thinking in the midfield apart from camarasa who does try and get on the ball. We are so flat at time is unreal. Ralls is way off, and Arter is just wasting energy and getting angry, it needs to be a bit more sophisticated than that. The problem-in my opinion-is that we set up not to lose, that's fine if there's an outlet, or a couple of players with the individual ability to win a game and a defence that can defend, we haven't got any of that at the moment. I reckon that we should press high and go all out to win at home, get higher up the pitch and support the front man, if it means leaving gaps then so be it, we need a win, and our current style and tactics wont allow it. Warnock needs to be braver and allow the midfield to press higher and for the defence to play a higher line. We may get smashed by the better sides, but have more of a chance against teams from the bottom half. Things need to change, we don't look like winning under the current format.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolff
How do you know that he isn't putting in 100%? Danny Ward may chase ten lost causes to Zohores six, doesn't mean that ward is working harder, that side of the game may come easier to ward. It's like anything else, somebody in work may be able to do a task in half the time you do it, doesn't mean that they're working harder, infact, it could be the other way round.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
I have to disagree. 4-5-1 is a very different set up, where the striker is the target man, the wide men comes for overlaps and one of the central midfielders move up behind them in the space hopefully created. Then the team can maintain balance defensively, and slowly offer support to the men up front. But most importantly it’s a much more compact set up to compensate for the lack of abilities you mention. I also disagree about Arter. I think he leads by example on how much work the players need to put in. Every time he looses the ball, he goes straight after it. We do that often, press up high. But we are easy to play through, and all thought Tottenham didn’t exploit that with movement in their team, others have, and will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Ok, 451 is more defensive, although you have wingers who attack, and who either tuck in or track back-no overlapping fullbacks, although I can't see a huge difference in what I've described as to how we play now. As for Arter working hard after losing possession, then maybe he should work on keeping the ball for a bit longer and put that energy into something more positive :thumbup: I can't see what people see in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolff
A couple of seasons back he lost the ball, chased back 30yds to tackle the defender on the half way line, won the ball, rang back at the defence, played a one-two, and nearly scored. He can do it, he just hasn't got the heart..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
I think you have a point. He looks like he's somewhere else, drained of confidence, self belief and anything else in between. Maybe it's his character that we should be looking at. I've posted enough crap about Zohore, my main issue is that I don't really know what kind of player he is. Not a natural striker, a wide man or Number ten. If he isn't playing well or involved then he doesn't really have that ability to influence a game in other ways. Warnock was his saviour, maybe he's turned into his nightmare and needs something else. Ken's form dipped pretty much after we went more direct and players weren't getting close to him. I'm not saying that's the reason, but it seems that he is struggling to do the basics right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
I’ve said basically the same and last week when I saw him in the starting line up was hoping Reid would be playing off him , really want to see how that would go and was a little dismayed to see Paterson in that position , who in fairness has done alright mainly by his ability to win a header but maybe I’m a little old fashioned in liking the big man little man formation ala Toshack Keegan but then ken would need to win the headers which he’s definitely not doing at this momentQuote:
Originally Posted by jamieccfc
His form in the second half of 2016/17 was exceptional, even by the standards of some of the best City strikers. He never really lived up to that potential last season, sadly, and I agree that mostly it's down to heart and effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Something is not right with the lad , and for me even if your off form , you can always just put that effort and desire in ,does he do that , is the question we have to all ask .
Didn’t he have a broken season last year? Injuries and never got going?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Never got going at the start, either. Great goal at Burton, but that was as good as it got, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolff
Not sure that's the case, certainly played well against Villa and Sheff utd? I seem to recall that he started to slip after we battered Leeds at home, he wasn't scoring many but his contribution was good. Maybe others could weigh in as my memory is shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
There's some truth to that. However, he didn't really show last season the form he did in the previous season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
He's got a good set of attributes to be a 10-15 goal per season striker in the Prem. Though we've not seen any of these this season and his performances have been lethargic and tiresome, not sure why as this is the biggest level a player will often play at.
People mention Zohore not chasing down "lost causes" these days - I've no problem with that because the clue is in the word "lost". Now, if you are talking about your main striker trying to put defenders under pressure as part of an overall high pressing approach, then that's a different matter, but at City, strikers, be they Zohore or Ward (Madine is too immobile to do it), have been pointlessly running from side to side chasing defenders who easily pass by them by finding midfielders who receive the ball with time and space to spare because the press by the striker is not being replicated in other areas of the pitch - if Zohore's "laziness" is down to problems motivating himself to use up most of his running power on something which barely ever performs a positive service for his team, then I can sympathise with him to a degree.
Having said that, this cannot be used to excuse Zohore's form this season - whereas you get the impression that Ward is trying his hardest for the team in all aspects of the game, Zohore is given an impression that he would rather be somewhere else. I rate Zohore and so have probably been guilty of finding excuses to justify poor performances from him in the past, but it is getting harder to do that because he is wasting a huge opportunity for himself. At his best, Zohore is a Premier League level performer and our prospects would look so much brighter if he was playing to somewhere near that level, but, certainly since he returned from his injury last season he has only turned in the occasional performance which repeated what we were seeing from him in the second half of 16/17.
it is hard for whoever plays the lone striker role for Cardiff because we don't tend to be quick to get support up to him when he receives the ball,(usually from a long clearance), but Zohore was coping with that at one time, now, for whatever reason his mobility is less than it was and he is either unable or unwilling to display the pace which enabled him to be a very effective runner in the channels (that's how I think we should use him - forget about his size and utilise his real assets).
It's shocking that a striker of his height (6' 3.5") doesn't genuinely challenge for most headers. And when he has a clear header on goal he usually makes a pig's ear of it. We can't escape relegation without a regular goalscorer up front.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
It seems to make sense. Our best pressing performance was against Arsenal who wanted to play everything from the back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
The one downside of the "defense taking a higher line" is that players like Morrison and Manga are extremely slow and decent premiership forwards can lose them over 5-10 yards.
It isnt that simple is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by KenfigBlues
We had our chance to cash in. Seems to me that every forward we seem to buy fails????