Theresa May faces 'show trial' by Tory MPs' and told to "bring your own noose"

One senior plotter shockingly tells her to 'bring your own noose' to meeting with furious Brexiteers as David Davis publishes his manifesto for No10

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Tory-MPs.html

God what an awful , place to be , I'm sure we will get all the anti Tory /May score points brigade ,who say its ALL her hr fault well is it ,the clue is in the all ?

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Originally Posted by life on mars

God what an awful , place to be , I'm sure we will get all the anti Tory /May score points brigade ,who say its ALL her hr fault well is it ,the clue is in the all ?

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Originally Posted by life on mars

God what an awful , place to be , I'm sure we will get all the anti Tory /May score points brigade ,who say its ALL her hr fault well is it ,the clue is in the all ?

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Nobody thinks that's acceptable.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

God what an awful , place to be , I'm sure we will get all the anti Tory /May score points brigade ,who say its ALL her hr fault well is it ,the clue is in the all ?

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Not quite sure what it is but assuming you mean where the country is on Brexit then I don't think you can blame May fully for calling the referendum in the first place as that was David Cameron.

You also can't blame her for the behaviour of a large swathe of her backbenchers and ex-ministers for the way they have defined the Brexit vote as meaning only the version of Brexit that they hold dear and for vilifying anyone in government or out who offers alternative views of what the best Brexit is for the country.

You can blame her for:

Triggering Article 50 before any meaningful strategic or detailed planning had commenced on how the two year period would be managed;
Calling a general election that took three months out of that timeline and campaigning in such a negative way that it weakened her position both with Parliament, Government and her own party having to rely on the DUP to maintain a meaningful majority and prone to making concessions to them;
Setting an unnecessary set of red lines in the negotiations on the customs union, single market and the role of the ECJ that either boxed negotiators in or allowed her to look weak when they were tempered;
Signing up to the NI border backstop in December 2107;
Crafting the Chequers proposal as her blueprint for the way forward that had the unique ability of uniting Remainers, Brexiteers and the EU in its rejection;
Alienating the EU with a strategy of trying to by-pass its negotiating team in the hope of picking off individual governments resulting in her humiliation at Salzburg.

Wasn't it Harry Truman who had something on his desk that stated "the buck stops here". Given she has been Prime Minister for all but a few days since the Brexit vote who do you think should get most of the blame?

December 2107 does sound like a realistic time for the Northern Ireland conundrum to reach its conclusion.

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Originally Posted by lardy

December 2107 does sound like a realistic time for the Northern Ireland conundrum to reach its conclusion.

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Pedant, you should be focusing on the Trump Russia collusion delusion and have little time for such pithy observations! :facepalm:

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Pedant, you should be focusing on the Trump Russia collusion delusion and have little time for such pithy observations! :facepalm:

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All I can say is


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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Pedant, you should be focusing on the Trump Russia collusion delusion and have little time for such pithy observations! :facepalm:

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He dropped that one like a ton of bricks and went off with his tail between his legs. I am glad to see he is making a comeback though, even if it is a somewhat subdued attempt :thumbup:

And let's not pretend that the opposition care about us either , with the ( lack of detail) 6 point plan, that means , whatever is agreed they won't back anyway .
It's pure electioneering theatre , and a chance to grab power, which is clever stuff, just wish they had thd balls to say it out loud .

I reckon they could grab power by simply asking for a second referendum, they'd have the backing of Europe at least :

Labour's 6 test
(If anyone has any details, actuals , numbers ,targets, performance measures, please fill them in, perhaps I've missed them )

1. Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU? (Easily measured I guess ,not sure what it means )

2. Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?
( well no , how can it ,we're out, we want go trade with others)

3. Does it ensure the fair management of migration in the interests of the economy and communities?( fair management ?? figures by region, impact to the actual local effected economy, region please )

4. Does it defend rights and protections and prevent a race to the bottom? ( how will we measure the race to the bottom)

5. Does it protect national security and our capacity to tackle cross-border crime?
( great soundbite, will mean use of the nasty military ,Trident ,Arms, spooks, and tighter immigration checks )

6. Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK? ( targets ,
actual regions , industries effected like fisheries , would be nice )

The grab of power for Labour is greater than being big enough to seek a cross party collaborative colation agreement on this single matter, for the benefit of the people ,which would probaly put them deservedly into power anyway .

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Originally Posted by life on mars

God what an awful , place to be , I'm sure we will get all the anti Tory /May score points brigade ,who say its ALL her hr fault well is it ,the clue is in the all ?

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This makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

And let's not pretend that the opposition care about us either , with the ( lack of detail) 6 point plan, that means , whatever is agreed they won't back anyway .
It's pure electioneering theatre , and a chance to grab power, which is clever stuff, just wish they had thd balls to say it out loud .

I reckon they could grab power by simply asking for a second referendum, they'd have the backing of Europe at least :

Labour's 6 test
(If anyone has any details, actuals , numbers ,targets, performance measures, please fill them in, perhaps I've missed them )

1. Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU? (Easily measured I guess ,not sure what it means )

2. Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?
( well no , how can it ,we're out, we want go trade with others)

3. Does it ensure the fair management of migration in the interests of the economy and communities?( fair management ?? figures by region, impact to the actual local effected economy, region please )

4. Does it defend rights and protections and prevent a race to the bottom? ( how will we measure the race to the bottom)

5. Does it protect national security and our capacity to tackle cross-border crime?
( great soundbite, will mean use of the nasty military ,Trident ,Arms, spooks, and tighter immigration checks )

6. Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK? ( targets ,
actual regions , industries effected like fisheries , would be nice )

The grab of power for Labour is greater than being big enough to seek a cross party collaborative colation agreement on this single matter, for the benefit of the people ,which would probaly put them deservedly into power anyway .

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Is that HM Opposition you are referencing or HM Government 2010-2018

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Originally Posted by life on mars

And let's not pretend that the opposition care about us either , with the ( lack of detail) 6 point plan, that means , whatever is agreed they won't back anyway .
It's pure electioneering theatre , and a chance to grab power, which is clever stuff, just wish they had thd balls to say it out loud .

I reckon they could grab power by simply asking for a second referendum, they'd have the backing of Europe at least :

Labour's 6 test
(If anyone has any details, actuals , numbers ,targets, performance measures, please fill them in, perhaps I've missed them )

1. Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU? (Easily measured I guess ,not sure what it means )

2. Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?
( well no , how can it ,we're out, we want go trade with others)

3. Does it ensure the fair management of migration in the interests of the economy and communities?( fair management ?? figures by region, impact to the actual local effected economy, region please )

4. Does it defend rights and protections and prevent a race to the bottom? ( how will we measure the race to the bottom)

5. Does it protect national security and our capacity to tackle cross-border crime?
( great soundbite, will mean use of the nasty military ,Trident ,Arms, spooks, and tighter immigration checks )

6. Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK? ( targets ,
actual regions , industries effected like fisheries , would be nice )

The grab of power for Labour is greater than being big enough to seek a cross party collaborative colation agreement on this single matter, for the benefit of the people ,which would probaly put them deservedly into power anyway .

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Deflecting much. This is about a few vile Brexiteer MPs feeling so comfortable in their position that they can say disgusting things about their own leader.

Dai Davis is about the only MP I can think of who I wouldn't mind having a few pints with. I imagine Labour would dread him more than anyone else as Tory leader.

https://images.spot.im/image/upload/...2f8871bb0878ce

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Dai Davis is about the only MP I can think of who I wouldn't mind having a few pints with. I imagine Labour would dread him more than anyone else as Tory leader.

https://images.spot.im/image/upload/...2f8871bb0878ce

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If his socialising and drinking skills are as good as his negotiating skills you’ll spend two years waiting for a pintl lisiering to him promise the earth before he fecks off sheepishly leaving you at the bar

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Originally Posted by life on mars

And let's not pretend that the opposition care about us either , with the ( lack of detail) 6 point plan, that means , whatever is agreed they won't back anyway .
It's pure electioneering theatre , and a chance to grab power, which is clever stuff, just wish they had thd balls to say it out loud .

I reckon they could grab power by simply asking for a second referendum, they'd have the backing of Europe at least :

Labour's 6 test
(If anyone has any details, actuals , numbers ,targets, performance measures, please fill them in, perhaps I've missed them )

1. Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU? (Easily measured I guess ,not sure what it means )

2. Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?
( well no , how can it ,we're out, we want go trade with others)

3. Does it ensure the fair management of migration in the interests of the economy and communities?( fair management ?? figures by region, impact to the actual local effected economy, region please )

4. Does it defend rights and protections and prevent a race to the bottom? ( how will we measure the race to the bottom)

5. Does it protect national security and our capacity to tackle cross-border crime?
( great soundbite, will mean use of the nasty military ,Trident ,Arms, spooks, and tighter immigration checks )

6. Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK? ( targets ,
actual regions , industries effected like fisheries , would be nice )

The grab of power for Labour is greater than being big enough to seek a cross party collaborative colation agreement on this single matter, for the benefit of the people ,which would probaly put them deservedly into power anyway .

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You’ve done your usual of slagging out Labour (don’t get me wrong Corbyn isn’t the messiah his fans think he is) giving the Tories a free pass when in fact the references to May being hung or whatever have come from her more increasingly by the day right wing brexiter lunatics who promise the Earth but would be incapable of delivering **** all except even more humiliation and derisory laughter from everyone else in Europe

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Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2

You’ve done your usual of slagging out Labour (don’t get me wrong Corbyn isn’t the messiah his fans think he is) giving the Tories a free pass when in fact the references to May being hung or whatever have come from her more increasingly by the day right wing brexiter lunatics who promise the Earth but would be incapable of delivering **** all except even more humiliation and derisory laughter from everyone else in Europe

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What's your view on Labour's 6 tests and stradegy .

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Originally Posted by life on mars

What's your view on Labour's 6 tests and stradegy .

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Who cares, they didn't get us here and aren't in charge.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Who cares, they didn't get us here and aren't in charge.

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Well a big mass of their voters did ?

61% of conservatives voters and 35% of labour voters chose to leave. Bear in mind this was after an election where labour lost the popular vote 36-30%. It is pretty clear brexit is something initiated by the tories, in the most part voted for by Tory voters and now Tory mps have decided they want to hang the prime minister because she isn't doing what they want. That is the story, no matter how much you try to deflect this shambles onto the opposition.

Lib Dem voters chose to leave at almost the same rate as labour voters btw

No-one was actually quoted as saying that she should bring her own noose, unless I am mistaken.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

No-one was actually quoted as saying that she should bring her own noose, unless I am mistaken.

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https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/th...sing-language/

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/th...sing-language/

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Not firmed up at this stage yet then. Not that a metaphor should be alarming.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

No-one was actually quoted as saying that she should bring her own noose, unless I am mistaken.

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Because they would be kicked out of the party already. Nothing juicy is said on the record.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andrew Bridgen tells <a href="https://twitter.com/SkyNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@skynews</a> on those knife/noose briefings in the Sundays: &quot;I wouldn't be surprised if no10 didn't put those words out themselves&quot; to boost support for the PM</p>&mdash; Tamara Cohen (@tamcohen) <a href="https://twitter.com/tamcohen/status/1055024795685998593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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By coincidence, its also said that Andrew Bridgen is most likey the MP who was behind the quotes.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Not firmed up at this stage yet then. Not that a metaphor should be alarming.

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Ban metaphors, they are not snowflake friendly!

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Not firmed up at this stage yet then. Not that a metaphor should be alarming.

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Easy to say until someone somewhere takes what is written, absorbs it literally and then stabs an MP in the street. If I said that at work I would be disciplined.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Ban metaphors, they are not snowflake friendly!

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There is a difference between criticising people for doing/saying something and wanting to ban them from doing/saying it.

I know that is a hard concept to comprehend when you spend the majority of your time floating face down in the overdramatic cesspit that is US politics but please try.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Easy to say until someone somewhere takes what is written, absorbs it literally and then stabs an MP in the street. If I said that at work I would be disciplined.

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Just ban all language and get it over and done with. No more reading, writing or speaking, that's your utopian dream right?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Just ban all language and get it over and done with. No more reading, writing or speaking, that's your utopian dream right?

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Whoever said it was stupid and if this was in any other place of public sector work the chances are they’d be disciplined heavily.

The fact it’s one of those charlatans in Westminster means sadly the normal rules of professional standards don’t apply.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

the overdramatic cesspit that is US politics

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It's a previously unseen glimse into what is really going on in the world, so I'm not sure why you are taking such a negative view of it.

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Whoever said it was stupid and if this was in any other place of public sector work the chances are they’d be disciplined heavily.

The fact it’s one of those charlatans in Westminster means sadly the normal rules of professional standards don’t apply.

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I agree, in a PC world he should have said bring your own pen and paper to write your resignation letter.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Easy to say until someone somewhere takes what is written, absorbs it literally and then stabs an MP in the street. If I said that at work I would be disciplined.

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Is there any evidence that the lunatic involved was pushed to be a murderer due to a metaphor? I was hoping that we would hammer Fulham last Saturday....

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Is there any evidence that the lunatic involved was pushed to be a murderer due to a metaphor? I was hoping that we would hammer Fulham last Saturday....

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Jesus! What a thing to say :yikes:

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Is there any evidence that the lunatic involved was pushed to be a murderer due to a metaphor? I was hoping that we would hammer Fulham last Saturday....

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The difference is nobody is interested in anything we say. It can be dangerous for a person or organisation with reach and influence to operate with the same attitude, for instance the daily mail 'enemies of the people' cover is wrong. I genuinely can't think of a good reason for that headline or for the language used about May recently.

Also, don't be fooled by Wales-Bales chuntering away in the background about people wanting to ban words, this isn't what this is about. We are talking about common decency and shared values, something politicians and the media in Britain like to spend half their life sounding off about but rarely consider when opening their mouths or picking up a pen.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

The difference is nobody is interested in anything we say. It can be dangerous for a person or organisation with reach and influence to operate with the same attitude, for instance the daily mail 'enemies of the people' cover is wrong. I genuinely can't think of a good reason for that headline or for the language used about May recently.

Also, don't be fooled by Wales-Bales chuntering away in the background about people wanting to ban words, this isn't what this is about. We are talking about common decency and shared values, something politicians and the media in Britain like to spend half their life sounding off about but rarely consider when opening their mouths or picking up a pen.

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The fence sitter fooling someone.....yeah, right!

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

The difference is nobody is interested in anything we say. It can be dangerous for a person or organisation with reach and influence to operate with the same attitude, for instance the daily mail 'enemies of the people' cover is wrong. I genuinely can't think of a good reason for that headline or for the language used about May recently.

Also, don't be fooled by Wales-Bales chuntering away in the background about people wanting to ban words, this isn't what this is about. We are talking about common decency and shared values, something politicians and the media in Britain like to spend half their life sounding off about but rarely consider when opening their mouths or picking up a pen.

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I am not influenced by WB nor the Daily Mail. I just think that in this particular case a mountain in being made from a linguistic molehill.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

The difference is nobody is interested in anything we say. It can be dangerous for a person or organisation with reach and influence to operate with the same attitude, for instance the daily mail 'enemies of the people' cover is wrong. I genuinely can't think of a good reason for that headline or for the language used about May recently.

Also, don't be fooled by Wales-Bales chuntering away in the background about people wanting to ban words, this isn't what this is about. We are talking about common decency and shared values, something politicians and the media in Britain like to spend half their life sounding off about but rarely consider when opening their mouths or picking up a pen.

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More in common than that which divides us?

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

I am not influenced by WB nor the Daily Mail. I just think that in this particular case a mountain in being made from a linguistic molehill.

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I'd think less of you if you were :biggrin: