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I've never really had much bother following the City away being a softy n all that i tend to keep out of that rubbish, but what i would say, if i was going to become unstuck in a less than ideal situation with a group of lads, IMO you'd have a better chance with a group of Valley lads than Cardiff lads, the Valley boys do seem to stick together better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick
That's the third pop at me you've taken today. I have to wonder whether it's linked to my post about Cwmbran yesterday evening. Though why you would take umbrage over that is anyone's guess.
Illegal drugs the common thread of all the cases featured in tonight's show. Last week ditto except for the Post Office robbers.
Tebbit said years ago to get on your bikes to find jobs. Social mobility is much more difficult today with house prices and rents rocketing.
Maybe time for the government to take control of supply by legalising the use and supplying only as part of a treatment to get people off it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
The current system clearly doesn't work
Totally. Arresting people and putting them through the court system for possession of class A is a total waste of time and the fiancé involved is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawnmower
I.e. Offender gets arrested for heroin, pleads guilty, has to pay court costs. More likely then not they are on Emplyment support allowance and have the deductions from benefits.
They can't survive on whats deducted and therefore they go out and offend again thus bringing them back before the Courts.
Apparently there's 90,000 Britons of working age in receipt of ESA who are too ill to work because they're drug or alcohol addicted. They are unemployed but not counted as such, and the benefit isn't time limited so there's no big stick waved to motivate them to sort themselves out. Effectively they're paid an income to remain in the same rut. Meanwhile there's people suffering debilitating non self-inflicted conditions which will never improve who are found fit for work and pointed towards their nearest JobCentre where staff are under pressure to issue sanctions and/or compel people to work for nothing.
On the subject of drugs, troedyrhiw...
There is that street coming merthyr vale way, where there are blatantly a shed load of drug addicts. They're walking around in their PJ's at about 5 in the afternoon. You cant tell by their faces they're struggling with their vices.
How could so many end up in that few row of terraces?.
As police regularly are parked on the pavement there. Its almost as if it is arranged, as if they've been put there on purpose.
And you think legalising heroin and crack will solve this problem? Mega LOLZ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
Good. Better to have all the wrong-uns in one area where police can keep an eye on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
Worked in Portugal. Crime has dropped loads, and the risk of disease from dirty needles has made a huge difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
The war on drugs is a joke. And makes you wonder what's in it for the powers that be.
Yes it might make it a bit safer but where the fcuk are these people going to find £5,6,700 a week without there being criminal activity? Theyve still got to feed their habit, legal or not. They will still have to beg and steal, whore themselves out.etc like they do now. Unless of course youre suggesting the tax payer pays for these legal drugs??Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86
Nowhere in that article does it say crime has dropped loads, although logic says if youre not arresting people for posession and dealing then drug arrests are bound to go down. It still doesnt tackle the crimes commited in order to supplement their drug use.
Also, do we really want less overdoses? Let the fvckers kill themselves. In fact id make it 5 strikes and your out. 5 crimes as a result of drug use and then send them to the electric chair. Junkies are a menace to society and a drain on the tax payer.
Just like the Americans put the Indians on reservations
Pretty sure you’ve admitted to taking drugs in the past - apologies if I’m wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Technically drug taking is a crime in itself so if you’ve done it more than four times you should be in that chair yourself?
That means most of us will be getting fried.
Any requests for your last meal?
Chinese set meal for 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Lecter
I wasnt very clear. Commiting crimes to pay for their drugs. 5 burglaries / robberies / muggings.etc. then see you in the next life. Ciao. Fry.
The lad that had his car burned out used to get me work on the rails.
From what I remember he was never a crackhead back then.
Actually a very nice lad, but for some the buzz is never enough so they have to get better drugs and go for the bigger buzz.
The heroin is free if legal, like a prescription. Heroin is cheap really and wouldn't cost a lot for a government to buy and you make massive savings with police, hospitals etc. The war on drugs has been a massive failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Lets just give hundreds of thousands drug users free heroin on the tax payer. Great idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richyrich
Stick to playing stick ball with your so-called friends Richy.
Well, it's happening. Trials have started in Durham and Glasgow. Switzerland have been doing it a while. Best get on to your MP mug.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
You are dealing with the drug user any way, whether that be via policing, the health service, housing or recovery. That's all coming from the tax collect anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
If you eliminate the dealer, then you can control the product, eliminate the crime from that aspect, and eliminate the need for the user to commit crime to get the money to get the product. You will also eliminate the dealer controlling the price point and steadily increasing it when the subject becomes addicted.
That would then have an improvement to the local community due to a reduction in crimes, and not have drug runners on the streets targeting individuals, and youngsters not looking at drugs as a viable job prospect.
Seems a fair trade off to me, the tax payer pays either way.
And they all lived happily ever afterQuote:
Originally Posted by qccfc
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Originally Posted by J R Hartley
More over doses means more dispatched Ambulances, more medical treatment, more Police investigations in case of suspect circs
Basically far far far Money.
Haven't really thought this one through have you?
Of course not, you have issues with alcohol in society. However you can tax it and offset the problems via a monetary intake.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
If you are a dealer now, its in your interest to get as many people hooked as possible, then seeing as you control the price you can take advantage of the individual afterwards. You legalise the product you make the dealer redundant, you immediately remove that individual from the streets.
You can then tax the product, control the strength of product, and monitor the individual.
There is always a trade off with regards to treatment, do you deal with the product at its source. Or is it better to deal with the consequences of the product.
Fatal overdose. Dont bother investigating. Let them rot.Quote:
Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2