So if Wales win, what happens then?
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So if Wales win, what happens then?
We win the group and get promoted to the top group for the next Nations League competition. We may also be a top seed for the Euro 2020 draw. We also qualify for the play offs where will be up against the other group B winners. If we win the play offs we qualify for Euro 2020 if we haven’t already done so through the Euro qualifying campaign.
I may have some of the above wrong.
From what I can make out if we win the group we would replace England or Croatia, then if we failed to finish in the top 2 of our qualifying group we would have another chance in the nation's league playoffs where we would play the other winners in group B
The latter bit about the play offs is definitely correct. Not sure which Group A team we would replace if we win the group.
Just to add the Nations League will start again in 2020 so I’m guessing there will be a repeat scenario of play off winners coming from the Nations League group winners for the World Cup Finals in 2022.
This website seeks to explain the Nation Cup element of the play offs for the Euro Qualifiers. I am still not sure I understand how the replacement teams get selected for the higher league play-offs if the Group winners also qualify for the euros though.
This also suggests that we are in Pot 2 with Russia, Bosnia and the Ukraine.
https://www.footballseeding.com/inte...nts/euro-2020/
Pot 1 will be the top ten from group A and pot 2 will be the 2 worst teams from group A and the winners and runners up of group B I think
I am not sure you have the play-offs bit quite right, but I don't understand it so might be wrong.
4 games which decide seeding for Euro qualifiers. 20 euro qualifiers with top 2 from each group going through automatically and 4 remaining teams decided by winner of playoffs from Nations League. Longer term there is promotion and relegation and a winner of Nations League - the latter seeming quite unimportant.
- Am I right in saying play-offs are 2 games only? Does that mean 1 game only in semi and 1 game in final?
- Am I right in saying that there needs to be 4 teams in each play-offs? I expect all but maybe 2 of teams in Nations league A to qualify so remaining 2 go into play-off and 2 others come from Nations League B? Who then makes up 2 remaining teams in B play-off?
Apparently, teams like Georgia (not great history but currently doing well) will have a better chance of tournament football than usual but not sure how play-offs work otherwise.
Basically we have to win all our games until things become clearer!
You have to laugh. I don’t know any football fan who is absolutely certain of how this all works. There are definitely four teams in the play offs from each group. So if we beat Denmark we will be in a play off semi final against one of three other group winners from group B. I am pretty certain the semi finals will be two legged. No idea about the fina.
Surge just to add a Georgia will have a great chance of making the Euro Finals. If they win their group they will be involved in play offs against one of the other group D winners. If they win that semi final they play the winner of the other group D play offs with the winner qualifying for the Euros.
It's taking a bit of getting used to Pearcey. Having read the above link I am still not 100% sure how the play-offs work! I think it (if it all goes wrong) we would be supporting the Danes to earn qualifications automatically so we still have a chance of play-offs by being best of non-qualified, non-group winners. I am enjoying it though. The games are a nice mix of competitive and developmental* with one eye on qualifiers proper.
*Unless you're Ireland.
We should in theory have done enough to play in some sort of nations league play off.
20 teams qualify for euros automatically
In league of nations
12 teams are in league A
12 are in league B
15 in C
16vin D
So let's say 10 from league A qualify
And 7 from league B
Then 3 from C
That leaves 2 from league A who didn't in their play off
5 from league B in the play off
12 from league C and 16 from D
So starting from D you get 4 winners then C then B Then A
When you get to A there are 2 spaces left so in league B there is another team available so they are selected . That leaves 0 teams in B so we then go to C who get another team who him into the play off. Therefore in theory if all of A automatically qualify probably better off finishing lower.
In respect to the next nations league for world cup there is no qualifying planned but once world.cup increased they are looking to do a similar thing but only for teams in top 2 leagues. So 2 spaces available.
Jesus I wish I hadn't read this thread.Pass the aspirin someone.
So is it better to win or lose against Denmark? :biggrin:
Now that is mad, I've worked out how most of it works though and Wales are almost certain to be in a playoff of sorts. As there needs to be a group A playoff, if we consider that most of the Group A and Group B winners will qualify automatically, we'll probably get moved up to fill the spots in group A if we come 2nd. We'll only know after the qualifying campaign in 2019 though but it probably gives us two bites of the cherry.
For the likes of Georgia, it is advantageous to be as low as possible. They'll probably face Kosovo in a final to qualify. In an ideal world, you'll be as low as possible as it would be easier to qualify next time so you might see some sides playing younger teams to make sure they go down in the next round.
I think put simply, if we beat Denmark we get promoted to the Premier League (League A) of the Nations League and go on to a knockout section, the winners of which qualify for Euro 2020. So let's beat Denmark.
So glad that we've managed to clear up all the confusion and uncertainty surrounding this competition.
I've bookmarked this thread, and I'll be back in about 5 years to see if you lot have worked it all out yet.
FFS - Your all Clueless .......... If we beat Denmark at home then we will qualify for the Playoffs - That means we will qualify for the Asia Cup, COPA America and the African cup of Nations .... PLUS the WORLD CUP :hehe:
We beat Denmark, we get promoted into League A where we will then be drawn into a three team group against other teams in League A (France, Spain etc). If we win that group we go into the Nations Cup playoff to decide who wins the whole thing against the other group A winners
Its also a safeguard for if we don't qualify for the Euro through conventional qualifying, if we win against Denmark we are guaranteed a spot in the Euro playoffs in March 2020, should we not qualify through the usual qualifiers, if we do qualify normally our spot in the playoffs gets passed onto the next best team
These groups sort out pots for the Euro draw, best 10 in Group A= Pot 1, 2 worst in Group A and the 8 best in Group B (winners + runners up)=Pot 2, and so on. The ideal place for Wales to be is in either Group A or B of the Nations League as it will guarantee at least pot 2
Isn't the playoff before the League A promotion? So we go into the League B playoff in 2019 as winners of the group( if not already qualified) and the next time around (2020) we play in League A. That was my understanding atleast.
Where I get completely lost is what happens if Denmark win the group but then qualify through the euro qualifiers. I assumed 2nd in our group would then get the play off spot but the rules I read somewhere suggest it then goes on rankings ??
YYes I think that’s right about the rankings, the 4 group B winners will play off for a place for Euro 2020 after the qualifiers have finished in March. However if one of those 4 group winners has already qualified via the main qualification route my understanding is that the next team promoted to this play off is from the teams that finished 2nd but based on their UEFA ranking rather than their results - but I could be wrong! :hehe:
For any fans of Radio 4's I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue, it is helpful to know that the Nations League rules were invented by the same comedians who invented Mornington Crescent.
Of course it's out of the question to think for one minute that it could all be one massive cock up.
I've read this thread and a number of links to how it works and, just when I think I've got my head round it, someone posts something which makes me think that I'm really none the wiser.
I can see a Trump-type person proposing something and the committee all voting 'aye'.
The scheme is made to sound feasible and so confidently defended when questions are posed that each individual is scared to question further for fear of ridicule, even though they don't get it.
There is no way Wales won't have a chance in nations league play off if need it. In fact I would be surprised not to see Ireland in it.
The best thing about beating Denmark is it means by the next euros would be guaranteed being in league 1 or 2. Which pretty much guarantees a play off spot.
If Denmark top our group and qualify we don't automatically get the next spot it would be who had the most points from league 2.
I like the idea and think people will understand it more once the tables are finalised.