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Dreadful stuff from a party I thought were better than that 😢or is it fake news?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...erous-12381040
And :
Corbyn walks out of anti-Semitism debate as Labour MPs Ruth Smeeth, Luciana Berger and John Mann recall abuse::
http://www.cityam.com/284206/corbyn-walks-out-anti-semitism-debate-labour-mps-ruth
Ruth Smeeth is mentioned in Wikileaks as a "strictly protect" CIA informant and her Wikipedia entry says she was "director of public affairs and campaigns at the Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre".Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/749255548344885248
Why would Corbyn or anyone want to listen to her when it is clear that her first loyalty is not to this country?
Oh , cheers, at least that settles that .Quote:
Originally Posted by David Vincent
I thought for one moment this evidence of anti semitsim and on going enquiries, social media abuses had some grounds to be worried.
Phew
She should go to the police. Has parliament become a support group for people who get abused on the internet? Come to think of it, croesy once called me a paedo-sympathiser, maybe they will give me some moral support if I head down there for the next meeting.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
There are three threads on this topic already, probably best not to start a new one every time somebody opens their mouth.
Some live footage from the debate
https://www.channel4.com/news/corbyn...-anti-semitism
Ooops sorry more live feeds ill stop now
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43795854
Here you go again. You really are a nasty bit of works. All you do is make snide remarks or sexist comments to try and win your petty arguments.
Grow up FFS.
Anyone who makes these kind of remarks are vile.
I would point out though, she stated she received abuse from both the far-left and far-right of politics, and that the abuse had become more "commonplace and corrosive" in the past two years.
So who is actually carrying out this trolling? Does anyone know?
This open letter to John Mann says all you need to know about Mann & Co.
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/John_MannQuote:
Heartfelt derision from a 90-year-old Jewish doctor
On 18 October 2016, Dr Sam Glatt addressed the following open letter to John Mann MP, House of Commons, London, SW1A 0AA:
Dear Mr Mann,
It is with a sense of deep distaste personally, and an even deeper concern for the future of our freedom of speech, generally, that I have viewed your recent antics. In my opinion, your behaviour appears both narcissistic and attention-seeking, in the extreme. Whether it is at a level at which one could view it as pathological, I am not sufficiently qualified to say, but it is my view that ‘the man on the Clapham omnibus’ may, reasonably, harbour suspicions.
Your ambush of Ken Livingstone, with pre-arranged media presence is a case in point. Any less reasonable man may have told you to ‘clear off’. Instead he tried, in a calm manner, to point out the historical evidence to support what he had said. His words fell on (your) deaf ears, for you, of course, had decided already that he ‘would float if you threw him in the river’ (the test applied, historically, vis a vis witchcraft). Cynical observers too, may, possibly, take the view that you are attempting, on behalf of others, to airbrush history, in the name of anti-Semitism.
Are you not aware of the potential of historical resonance here? Let’s, for the sake of argument, turn history on its head and assume that the Nazis had won WWII. You can imagine, can you not, that they would want to stamp out any reference to the ‘Final Solution’? After all, political opponents in actual historical fact had already gone to the extermination camps, along with the mentally ill, those with learning difficulty, Roma and the Jewish community. So, one might imagine that the Nazis might encourage the denunciation of those who would wish to speak the truth, as ‘Jew lovers’ and make them targets for ‘neutralisation’. Do you take my point? Thankfully, such a situation never came about, thanks to the sacrifice of over 400,000 people, including my own brother, (and many more from other nations) who gave their lives to preserve our freedom of speech.
Let me now refer to matters In connection with Jackie Walker, the former vice-chair of Momentum and with whom we share membership of the Labour Party. I do not wish to refer to the specifics of the matter as her appeal against suspension from the Party is pending, (although the issue of the circumstances of her ‘entrapment’ and ‘denunciation’, are deeply worrying to me). However, your comments that all Labour members who supported her “should be expelled from the Party,” which were reported in the media, absolutely appalled me. The implied ‘guilt by association’ is akin to the ‘fellow traveller’ accusations made during the McCarthyite era in the USA. Shame on you.
There seems to be a desire, on your part, to conflate (i.e. run together as if they represent the same meaning), the words and concepts of anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism. Or perhaps you are just confused? I never have been. To me anti-Zionism represents political opposition to a style of social and political expression stemming from a particular religious interpretation of Judaism. Anti-Semitism, on the other hand, refers to a dislike of Jews, which is rooted in the same xenophobic soil as other forms of racism. When this is openly displayed, we, in Britain have anti-discrimination laws, including those relating to hate speech. Now...the application of and efficacy of our legislation is a matter open for debate and is something you can, potentially, influence as an MP. Why then, at this present time, are you focusing your attention on the Labour Party?
That brings me to the issue of the political motivation for your actions. It has been suggested that your prime motivation, given your position on the right-wing of the Labour Party, is to attempt to undermine the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn and all that he stands for. I was a committed and experienced member of the Socialist Medical/Health Association (affiliated) since 1946 and have been a member of the Labour Party since 1972, or thereabouts. As such, I find it difficult not to agree with such a conclusion, in the current circumstances. No doubt your fairly regular visits to Israel (as a consequence of your documented links with organisations and individuals there) must be enjoyable for you on a personal level, but would not, surely, be sufficient incentive, in of themselves?
No.... my view is that, to use military terms, you represent a sniper with a long range rifle, ‘softening up’ the enemy, causing confusion in the opposing ranks, picking off individuals and making people afraid of putting their head above the barricades. You are, however, in my view, waiting for your ‘General’ a.k.a. Tony Blair to come and rally the troops for a counter-offensive. I admire your loyalty to him, but would point out that he doesn’t have an awfully good record militarily. That poor record had quite a lot to do with the allies he chose, or was coerced by (in that regard it was interesting to see Mr Blairs’ presence, almost as if he were still a head of state, at the recent funeral of Shimon Peres, in Israel).
So there we have it....I have concern about the nature of your personal behaviour: I am a Corbyn supporter, and have great sympathy with the situation of Ken Livingstone and Jackie Walker, to whom I offer my solidarity: I am also not afraid to look to history for lessons and I view your actions as being ‘McCarthyite’ in nature: I refuse to conflate anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism and I see through your cloak of justification and heap scorn upon your underlying political motivation......
So, please feel free to denounce me, though, I suspect, that you lack the moral and political courage to do so.
Throughout my 90 years, I have always held to a belief in the essential goodness of people. That belief has been severely tested in recent times, as I have witnessed your machinations and those of the Labour PLP.
Today, the mere demands of day to day living tax me greatly, but with all the energy I can muster, at the age of 90 years, I offer you, Sir, unfortunately, not fraternal wishes, but my heartfelt derision.
Dr Sam Glatt MCRS LRCP MB ChB British, Socialist Jew. (cc Jeremy Corbyn MP, Leader of the Labour Party, leader@labour.org.uk, Ken Livingstone, Jackie Walker)[11]
#ObsessedQuote:
Originally Posted by Mambo
The only strange one is you, you bloody nutter :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mambo
There you go again. Making up lies about me. NUTTER!
And Tom Watson went and sat in the back bench seatsQuote:
Originally Posted by Mambo
I'm not a "Corbynista" or whatever the approved term is nowadays, but the anti-semitism debate has dragged on for far longer than it should have, especially considering the other problems that we're facing. It feels like we've been going on about it for months
Its almost like the press want to focus on something other than the Tory's problems and failures by dragging out this debate...
Its a mess, May will be gone by the next election anyway so someone else will have a go at it for a while. The doomsday scenario is Johnson or Gove, or that tw*t MoggQuote:
Originally Posted by ninianclark
If Corbyn steps down as Labour leader, the membership will probably vote for McDonnell or Abbott depending on who stands
Then there's this mythical new "centrist party" that'll get £50m to start up, probably fronted by Blair or someone of his ilk
Its a mess.
I'm not sure ,would not be shocked if Ruth Davidson steps up , she might appeals to the center right ,and Sir Keir Starmer KCB QC for Labour, might attract the middle ground socialist and bind them together with the left ,you really think Abbot who be a choice for Labour , they have never been keen on woman leaders, and they have had a few decent ones in their ranks ? .Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
Don't you think its deeper than the press, these are was actual labour MP'S describing pretty poor behavior live on television ,it hasn't stopped the perception gathering that ; Its always been hidden in the party , or it has risen due to new social media warriors .Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
I think more decisive and quick action would see the story buried helped with the illusion that this is an actual agenda for the labour, movement to perhaps garner the Muslim vote , or simply the left really dont like them .
Me I am very confused with this issue ,these types of radial thoughts/ behaviors /harassment /views sit better with the right wing agenda groups .
There are anti semites and racists in the Labour party, the same as there are in the Conservative Party, the Lib Dems etc. It wouldn't have dragged on this long if it wasn't the Labour Party & Jeremy Corbyn IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Corbyn has a long history of supporting anti-racism bills and opposing racism, he was even arrested on an anti-Apartheid march and now we're supposed to believe he's a racist? It smacks of the press on their last legs trying to smear Corbyn following the failure of their smear campaign in the 2017 election
i want my party back lolQuote:
Originally Posted by City123
I could list all the things I have been called on various forums. I could say they are all conservative party activists but I have no idea. They might not even be real people. That episode in the house of commons was showmanship pure and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars