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Fair play, that article is a load of nonsense from a journalist obviously full of hatred.
And which bits would be a "load of nonsense" then?
Well if your a fist pump lover this will get your goat.
It's a weirdly written piece but seems pretty factual.
I'm no fan of Malkay he appears to be a very arrogant individual, his behaviours do suggest he has little humility or respect .
The article is a strange one, it tries to tackle a lot of different points regarding Mackay and ends up tackling none of them
Seems pretty much spot on to me. The only thing not mentioned was the massive bungs he took on the Cornelius deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
What bits are nonsense or full of hatred?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Oh Malky, where did it all go wrong?
Never really understood the almost god like status the scouser seemed to attract from the majority of City fans, enjoyed his questions and answers stuff, came across really well, but obviously underneath it all, he wasn't a very nice chap. IMO shouldn't be anywhere near a management job. In the current climate, and if a politician would have had to resign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie
I'm no lover of Malky or his brand of football but this does read like a hatchet job.
So which bits are wrong in it?Quote:
Originally Posted by sneggyblubird
:sherlock:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
Mare, it's been a long day honest!!!! :frown:Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
:hehe: Jones out!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
All Scottish Scousers outQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve R
absolute dogshit article
Another young thread ruined by jonesQuote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
What mackay said was clearly not the best for a supposed "professional" manager.
but the amount of grown men crowing over the words he used like "gay snake" was hilarious.
Good to see by that guardian comment section people have calmed down with their fake outrage.
I don't think anything should be read into private conversations. Zero. The people involved are not broadcasting their hate, that is the entire point. It hurts no one.
Apparently, I was "defending the indefensible" last week when I said that many of those rushing to condemn Mackay's racism, sexism, homophobia, etc, etc. had said stuff just as bad, or worse, during their lives - seems that there is an element of "guilty until found innocent" when it comes to our former manager and bungs as well. Actually, didn't the FA investigate the bungs claims against Mackay and no charges were laid against him?
I realise that makes me sound like a Mackay apologist, but I don't think I am, more someone who thinks that there is a lot of hypocrisy and presumption around among some City fans when it comes to our former manager - I think Mackay may well have taken a bung, but, more than four years since the accusations first started appearing on here, he's still not been found guilty of any financial wrong doing.
The article is spot-on. He is arrogant, his coaching ability is not as good as he thinks it is, and his Premier League signings were crap.
He said a lot worse than that and it isn't about hurting anyone it's having someone who talks like that in charge of a professional organisation, what makes it worse is it wasn't just in a joke he was using it about actual people that he worked with.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
Bob I don't think I've said just as bad or worse especially not in a professional setting.
And let's be honest he was very arrogant, not that good a manager and played the fans like a fiddle trying to get them onside before it all came out.
Best city manager in my life time and would've kept us up. Weren't in the relegation zone once under him and had a load of good home games second half of the season which we'd have done a lot better in than we did under the clown from Norway
We started leaking goals. Bit of a problem that given Mackays tactics were to absorb pressure, hope Marshall came up with 5 great saves a game and that we can nick a goal on the counter attack despite lacking any pace whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBluebird
Well,nothing new in there.Seems it was just written at this time to remind some scottish people of his crimes against humanity.Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
Maybe. Or maybe the journalists read his jibes against them as being made to blames the media for his downfall, thus not really accepting his own conduct was wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by sneggyblubird
I met malky once in a cafe , I had been away , can't remember where the night before and we had won in a tight game
He came in and sat on the table opposite me
You want to give these people space but at the same time we all love Cardiff city so I just said hi malky , great result last night it was a tight game but we deserved to win
He just said yes and put his head down and read the paper , very unfriendly bloke , much like Dave Jones
Most of the players I have met have been great , Peter thorns , leggy , Steve mcphail , mark Hudson ......he's a real gent and was gutted to leave , mark Bonner
For me its not just about disrespectful conversations and texts , its the overall arrogance ,,to think one could make those type of remarks too people, you are managing , and should lead .
It would be an instant dismissal or suspension offence if you applied such behaviors in work time or via you works phone to in most decent organisations ,other than football ,which lets be fair has a low starting point on acceptable behaviors .
His behaviors wasn't carried out in the 1970's, it was a recent event and the behavior rules around respect and diversity have moved on he woudl know that .
There is a hypocrisy all around if you ask me , if he had carried out the same actions in a political /business profile role we would want him hanged , if he had wasted money as he did , again we would want them held to account , in my view we are blinded-sided by the fact he took us up , and he stood up to Tan who people also disliked and that created a common cause and I think at an early point he felt untouchable .
The team and Tans investment took us up , yes under his leadership, he indeed gelled them together and delivered , however once up he disregarded a number of good players who took us up ,way too quickly and easily and was found wanting in the big league in preparation and development of a well funded squad . In the world of business or politics you usually fall or step down in you fail your " funded "objectives ,especially when they are in their millions and are of your choice .
All of which in my book smacks of arrogance, of a very well paid man and alleged leader
For me , his yes man attitude to the shirt change to red was what did it for me , he was asked how he would feel if his beloved big firm team were forced to change their shirt colour without any consultation and he just laughed it offQuote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Coming to within penalties of winning a first major cup in 85 years and then promoted as league winners. Not a bad tacticQuote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
Yes, because of that that completely correlates with my post. Have a biscuit.Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBluebird
Scotland don’t want him
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41934678
Because your original post was a load of rubbish. We'd conceded 9 goals in 8 PL games before it all came out that he'd be leaving ahead of the Liverpool game. 5 of those goals were against Arsenal and United. Nightmare.Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
No one was complaining about Malky’s football during the 11-12 season when he got us to the Play-Offs and the League Cup Final.
A few grumblings about the style of football during the promotion season but not much as we sat pretty at the top of the league comfortable for the second half of the campaign...without really being troubled.
Certainly no one was moaning when we beat Man City and Swansea in the PL.
In fact most, if not all on here were gutted to see him sacked. Remember the Liverpool game and the City fans remaining after the game?
All of a sudden he’s now a racist, his football was shite as well.
Mackay left 27th December 2013 - ahead of Sunderland game, not Liverpool.Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBluebird
Aston Villa 2–0 Cardiff City
Cardiff City 2–2 Manchester United
Cardiff City 0–3 Arsenal
Stoke City 0–0 Cardiff City
Crystal Palace 2–0 Cardiff City
Cardiff City 1–0 West Bromwich Albion
Liverpool 3–1 Cardiff City
Cardiff City 0–3 Southampton
8 games. 5 points from 24.
4 goals scored, 0.5 goals per game.
15 goals coneceded, just under 2 conceded per game.
Conceding 3 in the first half against the bin dippers wasn't great, the Southampton result was even worse.
'Mare, indeed.
EDIT: The fundamental problem was we needed to nick tight games. As soon as we started conceding goals, it was killing our chances of getting the points needed to stay up because we had nothing going forward...
Haha everyone knew he'd gone byLiverpool. 15 goals in 10 games (eight of which came against Liverpool, United and Arsenal) is barely leaking goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
God help Warnock if we went up and he stayed. A 4-0 defeat at the etihad in August and people would be calling for his head
Ye spot on. No problem with people calling Mackay a **** etc. But rewriting the job he did is stupid. The football was far from dreadful. It was effective when it needed to be in the championship and a fair few performances where we ripped teams apart. Some of the performances under warnock have been ten times worse in terms of how dull it is. That's the championship though.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bob Banker Spanker
So you went from specifying 8 games to 10? Okay.
Those extra two games you brought in, we scored a single goal. 4 in 8 thus becomes 5 in 10.
Which gets back to my point - we had nothing going forward. We needed to keep games tight and hope to get a goal on the break.
People would be calling for Warnock's head? I very much doubt it.
Your original point was we started leaking goals. I said no to that and you start talking about scoring goals? Make your mind up. Did you want malky to go at the time??Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life