Leave.eu

Were apparently bankrolled by an American businessman by the name of Robert Mercer (more about him later if I have time). Who subsequently made £690 million as a result of Brexit.

His donations were never declared by leave.eu, which is against electoral law.
It is also illegal to accept donations from a non UK citizen.

Clearly the referendum should be declared null and void and we should have another go :fishing:

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Were apparently bankrolled by an American businessman by the name of Robert Mercer (more about him later if I have time). Who subsequently made £690 million as a result of Brexit.

His donations were never declared by leave.eu, which is against electoral law.
It is also illegal to accept donations from a non UK citizen.

Clearly the referendum should be declared null and void and we should have another go :fishing:

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Don't think Leave.EU was the official pro leave party though.

Good work Rjk. These outside influences include the proprietors of the right wing rags. Either way its over to the Brexit lot. This is what they wanted so lets see what mess they make of it. They will still end up blaming Blair,immigrants and Brussels.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Were apparently bankrolled by an American businessman by the name of Robert Mercer (more about him later if I have time). Who subsequently made £690 million as a result of Brexit.

His donations were never declared by leave.eu, which is against electoral law.
It is also illegal to accept donations from a non UK citizen.

Clearly the referendum should be declared null and void and we should have another go :fishing:

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Send my regards to poo-tin :biggrin:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...droidApp_Tweet


More on Robert Mercer, Cambridge analytica, trump, Farage etc

^^
Here is an illustration of why the western world is probably in trouble.
The poster is absolutely correct, but this 'stuff' now gets explained away in a matter-of-fact manner as if it is normal/expected/OK, and half the audience will choose to remain sceptical, and the other half will say 'well .. whaddya gonna do ..'.

Crazy times.
.. whaddya gonna do ..:shrug:

I don't know. The jack is out of the box.

Re: your last sentence. It is hard to tell how much of 'the peoples choice' is influenced by whichever bullshit campaign prevails at any given time, but I sorely doubt that the majority of people are thinking for themselves so very much nowadays.

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Originally Posted by Vimana.

^^
Here is an illustration of why the western world is probably in trouble.
The poster is absolutely correct, but this 'stuff' now gets explained away in a matter-of-fact manner as if it is normal/expected/OK, and half the audience will choose to remain sceptical, and the other half will say 'well .. whaddya gonna do ..'.

Crazy times.
.. whaddya gonna do ..:shrug:

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No mention of the Democrats directly vetting and amending articles that appear in the MSM? Even the Director of the FBI said yesterday that publications such as the New York Times and the Washington Post cannot be trusted for factual information. I think this Mercer fella is the least of our problems.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

How can you stop someone from using software to try and get their website to the top of Google then ?
How can you stop someone from using data to try and profile the types of voters they want to influence ?
Would you stop adverts in newspapers in case some gets influenced whilst reading the newspaper ?

Labour / Conservatives / Plaid,SNP, Libs, Republican , Democrat do this at every election.

You have to hope that people make their mind up based on how they feel, how they see their surroundings, do they want change, do they want to keep their identity / culture (whatever that is)

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How do you stop Google from actively surpressing information, such as anti-globalist opinion or news that is damaging to a certain section of society? The power of algorithms and who controls them is a huge modern-day problem.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

It was a referendum, there were 2 official campaigns - I dont think leave.eu was one of those - so I guess what they did with someone elses money is up to them.

Just as the Sun used to say "It was the Sun that won it" , that Murdoch rag, owned by an American / Australian has been saying he's been influencing elections since whenever he took over the paper - along with all his other newspapers.

What this Mercer bloke it seems was use Social Media to place advertisements. FaceBook allows you to geo target their users, so you can advertise to Men or Women, pick whatever age group you want, in whatever location you want. You can then select adverts to run on people with interests in certain subjects - photography, music etc - whatever you want. It's how FaceBook makes so much money. I dont know the whys and wherefores of this story you talk about though.

The same sort of advertising model is used by Google and BING, they know roughly what you like and dont like etc .

In the states the Democrat campaign spent about $1.4 billion , whereas the Republicans spent about half that - and they still won, presume they both used the same advertising platforms - it seems one message got through whilst the other didnt - I guess the same was true for the UK referendum.

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Yep its targetting a selected audience and the opposition can't do anything about it as they won't be aware of it. It shows Brexiteers as suckers though. They resented Obama's interference during the Referendum campaign yet another American was interfering and his money was pulling strings from behind the scenes.

^^ There was lot's and lot's of Bullsh1t from both 'sides'.
It has been quite clear since very very soon after the referendum that many people did not fully comprehend what they were voting for/against.

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Originally Posted by Vimana.

^^ There was lot's and lot's of Bullsh1t from both 'sides'.
It has been quite clear since very very soon after the referendum that many people did not fully comprehend what they were voting for/against.

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There was that story that the most googled term in the UK the day after was 'what is the European union?'.

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Originally Posted by lardy

There was that story that the most googled term in the UK the day after was 'what is the European union?'.

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

BS - direct intervention by Obama telling you how to vote was never going to go down well. If Trump had come here and told everyone to Leave - you would have been jumping up and down like a loon looking for a march to join.

Directed advertising, social media advertising, newspaper articles, FULL page newspaper adverts, opinions by 'experts' talkshows, TV debates , radio phone ins etc are all part of the discussion (for both sides) - and there was lots and lots and lots of that - with a record turn out. There were always going to be people who would leave and always those that would remain. Everyone else made an informed decision - as best they could - or didnt vote.

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Its not bullshit at all. Its hypocritical of Brexiteers to moan about Obama when at the same time another American was interfering by pumping in loads of money to influence/manipulate the public.

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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

Its not bullshit at all. Its hypocritical of Brexiteers to moan about Obama when at the same time another American was interfering by pumping in loads of money to influence/manipulate the public.

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Have you seen what is going on in the French election? We are certainly not a special case who were chosen for American "interference".

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Originally Posted by Vimana.

^^ There was lot's and lot's of Bullsh1t from both 'sides'.
It has been quite clear since very very soon after the referendum that many people did not fully comprehend what they were voting for/against.

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On the other hand, it was a fairly trivial exercise to find out the pros & cons by simply avoiding the politicians and the MSM, who were exclusively biased one way or the other to the point of telling porkies.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Have you seen what is going on in the French election? We are certainly not a special case who were chosen for American "interference".

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Likewise with Russian interference.

There is now evidence that they had a hand in the 2015 election here..

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

On the other hand, it was a fairly trivial exercise to find out the pros & cons by simply avoiding the politicians and the MSM, who were exclusively biased one way or the other to the point of telling porkies.

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In your opinion what were these pros and cons you found so trivially?

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

How can you stop someone from using software to try and get their website to the top of Google then ?
How can you stop someone from using data to try and profile the types of voters they want to influence ?
Would you stop adverts in newspapers in case some gets influenced whilst reading the newspaper ?

Labour / Conservatives / Plaid,SNP, Libs, Republican , Democrat do this at every election.

You have to hope that people make their mind up based on how they feel, how they see their surroundings, do they want change, do they want to keep their identity / culture (whatever that is)

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There's a new political come comedy programme on Dave hosted by Matt Forde who analysed the Great Repeal Bill amongst several Brexit strands. Apparently we left the EU because we didn't feel as if the UK parliament was sovereign, despite no one being able to give an accurate idea of how regulations come through the EU, and the way to stop this feeling of lacking control is to have the UK government impose new regulations, thus taking away the power of the UK parliament to debate, discuss and vote on behalf of their constituents.

There was also an Independent article which demonstrated that people feelings on matters is inaccurate to what statistics suggest is actually going on.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Have you seen what is going on in the French election? We are certainly not a special case who were chosen for American "interference".

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I have not said that we were but pointing out the interference was from both sides of the Referendum campaign

MEPs can get legislative proposals blocked or withdrawn.

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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

I have not said that we were but pointing out the interference was from both sides of the Referendum campaign

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I supported you on the matter of interference coming from both sides, I was just pointing out that we weren't a particularly special case.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

In your opinion what were these pros and cons you found so trivially?

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It's been covered ad nauseam.

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Originally Posted by ninianclark

For the EU to work as ONE - you need to get rid of nation states, get rid of national laws, use one currency and take away fiscal responsible from member states and have an EU army with an EU defence policy.

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These were the original goals when the EEC was setup in 1958. They were fully aware that it would require incremental steps over many years to achieve full unification.

" remain " Voters still whining about the result i see :hehe: and even more funnier they are still calling the " leave votes " idiots, at least they have stopped saying they are " racist " though :thumbup: