https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51142719
A points deduction would be very nice, and a fine to go with the Rooney megabucks deal!
Snowgate.... hah! :hehe:
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51142719
A points deduction would be very nice, and a fine to go with the Rooney megabucks deal!
Snowgate.... hah! :hehe:
"The Rams have leased back the ground, which was said to have been independently valued at £80m despite it being on the club's books as an asset worth £41m, from a company owned by Morris"
Cheating *****.
Was going to say it'd be nice to have their deduction while they were near the play offs.. but relegation will do
What a shame, it must be tough for them....and with all that snow to contend with.
With all that money they can afford a snow plough and a gritter!Quote:
Originally Posted by cardiff55
[QUOTE=jon1959;5039139]https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51142719
A points deduction would be very nice, and a fine to go with the Rooney megabucks deal!
Snowgate.... hah! :hehe:[/QUOT
Indeed and the irritating falseness of the Rooney story wanting to play back in the UK for Derby ,whilst wearing of the No 32 shirt number, only being a 'crafty' tie-in with club sponsor , I'm shocked football ignores the impact betting has on folk and its core support .
Steve Gibson Boro owner wasn’t happy that Derby seemed to be getting away with bending the financial rules and felt they should have had points deducted last season.
I don't think that the fact that the ground was in their books at £41m and then sold for for £80m is an issue. Many businesses have assets in their financial accounts at "under value" and there is nothing wrong with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
The real issue is the valuation figure and on what basis this was undertaken. I think that "fair value" will be very difficult to disprove for beauty, as they say, is in the eye of the beholder. I may believe that something is worth £10 and someone else might say £15 and buy it for that.
I think that Derby will get away with this particularly as they kept the EFL informed at all stages of the process.
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Originally Posted by BlueToujours
A 12 point deduction would leave them 23rd on 22 points
A 21 point deduction would leave them bottom of the league on 13 points and pretty much confirm relegation, not that I'd want that to happen...
FINALLY
Derby's failure to reach the Premier League despite spending a fortune then bending the rules, then putting the dodgy Rooney deal together, then sacking their long term injured captain while retaining the services of two players who were fit to play is one of the redeeming features of this season - I'd love to see them deducted points, but can't see it happening.
I wouldn't normally take the trouble to go back in time but since my suggestion that I thought that Derby would get away with it caused you so much mirth, I wondered what your current reaction might be? :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
Derby might have got away with it, but the EFL is still after them for fiddling above and beyond the call of duty!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54062306
got away with the valuation of Pride Park now face the rapid depreciation of players i'm sure they will beat it
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54076563
'Derby County say they will "vigorously resist" the English Football League's appeal against a decision to clear the Championship club of spending breaches.'
very well supported club considering its a small city
Far smaller than nearby Nottingham and Sheffield
I have a lot of time for Derby and some of the smaller clubs in that area like Chesterfield, Mansfield, Barnsley etc
As usual its Derbys loyal support that will get shafted after a big points deduction , if it happens
Ah that's alright then! They've got good fans, we'll let them off.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
you are a troll , admit itQuote:
Originally Posted by Der Kaiser
Derby County Football Club may be guilty of being naughty but instead of shoving those guilty in the clink , the team will be deducted points and probably be relegated
So it will be the fans who suffer
If Vincent tan was up to illegal activity do you think he should be punished or us lot by being relegated ?
I would want him to face the music myself
Not sure calling someone who challenges your continued verbiage about 'proper' and 'loyal' fanbases a troll is fair. It's hard not to challenge your posts, seeing as yours are taking up 99% of the board at the moment, and a lot of it is open to debate and some of it borders on the fanatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
You are right, the owners should be punished, but that's not how things do or will ever work and you know it, so posting about how hard done by they will be is completely redundant. If they are that hardcore and impressive i'm sure they'll stick about, otherwise you can point and call them all part timers if they don't fancy watching Derby in league one or two.
So if a goalie is sent off, he shouldn't be suspended for the next game as it will punish the fans because the team is weaker?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
In fact, maybe we shouldn't punish fans at all by sending any players off.
we should do away with giving points to teams at all so no one finishes higher or lower than anyone else. That way, fans can't be disappointed if their teams are relegated.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
I am absolutely against this suggestion. It's not fair for those lower in the alphabet. Why should fans be punished just because they live in a town beginning with W rather than B?Quote:
Originally Posted by TISS
Maybe all clubs should be given an emoji instead of a name so that there isn't a way to put them in an order which might be upsetting.
Maybe we should just award points based on how good the fans are?Quote:
Originally Posted by TISS
Teams with good local labour supporting lads +3 points
I think you might be on to something hereQuote:
Originally Posted by lardy
best suggestion yet. bonus points if at least one fan is a forum sex pest.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
Does anyone have an idea about the EFL's track record on appeals against independent disciplinary tribunals?
My reading of the Derby case (the two main elements that led to charges) is that they were very lucky to be cleared.
But it feels as if the EFL are probably just going through the motions with an appeal. Who hears the appeal?
Derby have been taking the piss for years. Although this year they will have money in the bank from selling their best young talent to Sheffield United.
Big difference between gross financial mismanagement and a goalkeeper getting sent offQuote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Paying wages that the club cannot afford ?
Guess who has been guilty of that ?
Well its about time the owners were punishedQuote:
Originally Posted by Der Kaiser
Because we now have the absurd situation of fans of clubs being punished and fans of other clubs relishing in possible points deduction so that's one less relegation place to worry about
For many years under hammam and Ridsdale we were paying wages that were above our turnover
It may have been us in the Dock
What about the fans of other clubs who missed out on promotion because of another club's financial cheating? They're getting punished, and moreso.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The only effective way to stop clubs cheating is by punishing them in the league. Everything else is just collateral damage.
A valuation of a company asset, especially property, is not ‘beauty in the eye of the beholder’ as you put it. It is a professional opinion, supposed to be carried out by a suitably qualified person, based on current market values and if challenged would have to be proved to be provided diligently, not a figure plucked out of thin air. The fact that the stadium was valued at £41m in the company accounts, means that was what it was actually worth, unless the valuer acted negligently for which he would be liable. Its the £80m that appears to be the contentious figure here - Morris was apparently selling the property to himself for a much inflated figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueToujours