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India v England Fifth Test
Managed to stay away from the Test match scores so I could enjoy the highlights which I just watched.
Whatever you think regarding the Indians only being able to perform on home soil and not travelling very well, today was as one sided a days cricket as you are likely to see.
300 runs in a maiden test from Karun Nair and 759 runs (most test runs conceded by England).
Not the swansong captain Cooke has been dreaming of before he relinquishes his captaincy.
Needing to bat all day tomorrow on a flat pitch but taking spin, I wouldn't put money on England losing this one... and the series 4 nil!
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MacAdder
Managed to stay away from the Test match scores so I could enjoy the highlights which I just watched.
Whatever you think regarding the Indians only being able to perform on home soil and not travelling very well, today was as one sided a days cricket as you are likely to see.
300 runs in a maiden test from Karun Nair and 759 runs (most test runs conceded by England).
Not the swansong captain Cooke has been dreaming of before he relinquishes his captaincy.
Needing to bat all day tomorrow on a flat pitch but taking spin, I wouldn't put money on England losing this one... and the series 4 nil!
It's not often you score 400 and are still on the end of a right old hammering. Don't fancy Englands chances of batting out a day for a draw at all.
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Majorblue
It's not often you score 400 and are still on the end of a right old hammering. Don't fancy Englands chances of batting out a day for a draw at all.
Agree on both counts. They should never have put themselves in such a position.
Serves them, and Sky, bloody well right. They wax lyrical about Joe Root (good player don't get me wrong and their best player) but hitting 50's and tons in India just ain't good enough.
Not much back slapping gone on during this tour.
Huge pressure on Alistair tomorrow.
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The biggest let down has been the spin bowlers, the seem to have been picked for their batting ability other than their primary one which is spin bowling and they've come up woefully short.
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The reason why India have won the series easily is because their spin bowlers are better than ours.
I always find tests in India boring at the best of times.
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No wickets down yet anyway.
Although he struggled desperately in the test matches on India's last visit to England, Kohli is obviously a class act, but I'm still not sure about the others on wickets that seam or swing and have some bounce for the quicker bowlers. India have bowlers who will do pretty well in such conditions though now and the two spinners who were outbowled by Swann and Panesar when England last visited them both seem to be much improved since then - India are probably the best test team in the world at the moment, but Anil Kumble's claim that they are the best team ever is pure pie in the sky.
It's also true that England have made India look good. Alien is right, the spin bowlers have not been good enough - they haven't come close to replacing Swann and may as well just go for who they consider to be the best young spinner around and give him a series or two to try to establish themselves. The two seam bowlers who have carried the English attack for years are becoming increasingly injury prone, while Wood, who would make such a difference to the attack, is plainly one of those players who is always going to struggle to get on the pitch.
Bayliss was appointed mainly because of what he could do for the one day teams and he's done well in that respect, but the test team has got worse under his watch. England usually bat with a one frame of mind in test matches, but when they try and graft, the stroke makers are shown to have inadequate techniques. Root apart, they have not had what I would call an established test match middle order batsman since Ian Bell was dropped, Hameed and, to a lesser degree, Jennings offer hope that the top order problems may have been solved, but we need to find a specialist number four or five now.
I think it's eight tests lost in 2016 for England. I know they've played a lot this year, but that's a poor record which contradicts the line you often hear on Sky that this is a very good group of players - they aren't, in test cricket at least, and they won't be until they show more of a test match attitude to batting.
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192-5, not the most clever shot by Moeen.
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Good job that shower of shite is 100% nothing to do with Wales. Bunch of English/German royal loving poofs:thumbup:
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196-7, don't panic, don't panic!
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PerryJason
Good job that shower of shite is 100% nothing to do with Wales. Bunch of English/German royal loving poofs:thumbup:
Unfortunately Jason, it is 100% to do with Wales. If you're born in Wales, you're qualified to play for England and Wales. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Thanks for the homophobic comment as well, that was lovely. I've never met anyone who likes cricket who's said something along these lines though, so I'm safe in the knowledge that you're an unhappy troll.
FWIW, if Cricket Wales left the ECB, they'd lose approx £3m in funding, and get £30k in its place. Also, they'd play max 2 games a year vs Nepal or some backwater and would likely never get test status. It's a non starter, so take that chip off your shoulder and enjoy it.
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200 for 8 now. Incredible!
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207 all out, simply not good enough after the pre lunch session - this generation of players seem to think there's more honour in losing by having a thrash than drawing by blocking.
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the other bob wilson
207 all out, simply not good enough after the pre lunch session - this generation of players seem to think there's more honour in losing by having a thrash than drawing by blocking.
Agree, it's painfully obvious to me that few are test match players. I doubt they ever practise the forward defensive!
There is a train of thought that you get rid of the short fielders by attacking the bowler and playing your shots. This may work against their own bowlers on English (and Welsh :yikes:) pitches but not against this quality of bowler and on Indian pitches.
Entertaining series though, I didn't think I'd enjoy it as much as I did.
Credit must go to India, they bowled better and showed the English batsmen how to make BIG scores.
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MacAdder
Agree, it's painfully obvious to me that few are test match players. I doubt they ever practise the forward defensive!
There is a train of thought that you get rid of the short fielders by attacking the bowler and playing your shots. This may work against their own bowlers on English (and Welsh :yikes:) pitches but not against this quality of bowler and on Indian pitches.
Entertaining series though, I didn't think I'd enjoy it as much as I did.
Credit must go to India, they bowled better and showed the English batsmen how to make BIG scores.
To be fair, we did score 477. Scoreboard pressure in the second innings, and it is the way cricket is going. Too many aggressive players, people like Cook and Hameed are a throwback. You take the rough with the smooth with Buttler and Stokes too, Stokes especially is a fantastic all rounder who can win you a game in a session, I'm still not sure re Buttler at the test level though. Letting them get 700+ killed us though, we've got to get better taking wickets on foreign soil, regardless of the batting collapse, they've got to find a spinner. I know they've said Jack Leach has a suspect action (I think that's to save their own arse), he's got to be given a go.
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Pedro de la Rosa
Unfortunately Jason, it is 100% to do with Wales. If you're born in Wales, you're qualified to play for England and Wales. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Thanks for the homophobic comment as well, that was lovely. I've never met anyone who likes cricket who's said something along these lines though, so I'm safe in the knowledge that you're an unhappy troll.
FWIW, if Cricket Wales left the ECB, they'd lose approx £3m in funding, and get £30k in its place. Also, they'd play max 2 games a year vs Nepal or some backwater and would likely never get test status. It's a non starter, so take that chip off your shoulder and enjoy it.
To be Honest as a Welshman I could never support England at Cricket.
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Whisperer
To be Honest as a Welshman I could never support England at Cricket.
to be honest as a Welshman England cricket is the only English team i can wholeheartedly support for the reasons already given
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Packerman
to be honest as a Welshman England cricket is the only English team i can wholeheartedly support for the reasons already given
Fecking Traitor
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PerryJason
Good job that shower of shite is 100% nothing to do with Wales. Bunch of English/German royal loving poofs:thumbup:
Give a rest FFS
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Whisperer
Fecking Traitor
Not sure why. England (in name) is the test tier for the England and Wales cricket board, that Wales (as a minor county) and Glamorgan belong to. It's also where the best Welsh cricketers aim in terms of international honours.
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Eric the Half a Bee
Not sure why. England (in name) is the test tier for the England and Wales cricket board, that Wales (as a minor county) and Glamorgan belong to. It's also where the best Welsh cricketers aim in terms of international honours.
You can Justify it all you want.....At the end of the Day the team on display is called England and their Badge has 3 lions on it.
and that has nothing to do with Wales.
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Whisperer
You can Justify it all you want.....At the end of the Day the team on display is called England and their Badge has 3 lions on it.
and that has nothing to do with Wales.
I'm not justifying anything.
If you're such an opponent of England as a test nation, who should the best Welsh players represent? Wales as a minor county? Forget about Wales as a test nation as it would collapse in no time through no money.
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Eric the Half a Bee
I'm not justifying anything.
If you're such an opponent of England as a test nation, who should the best Welsh players represent? Wales as a minor county? Forget about Wales as a test nation as it would collapse in no time through no money.
Same as the football.....Glamorgan play in the english system welsh players should play for Wales.
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Pedro de la Rosa
Unfortunately Jason, it is 100% to do with Wales. If you're born in Wales, you're qualified to play for England and Wales. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Thanks for the homophobic comment as well, that was lovely. I've never met anyone who likes cricket who's said something along these lines though, so I'm safe in the knowledge that you're an unhappy troll.
FWIW, if Cricket Wales left the ECB, they'd lose approx £3m in funding, and get £30k in its place. Also, they'd play max 2 games a year vs Nepal or some backwater and would likely never get test status. It's a non starter, so take that chip off your shoulder and enjoy it.
Oh dear!!:hehe:
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Whisperer
Same as the football.....Glamorgan play in the english system welsh players should play for Wales.
It has to be said that such a move would deny good Welsh players the opportunity to play at the top level. I presume you're ok with that.
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MacAdder
Agree, it's painfully obvious to me that few are test match players. I doubt they ever practise the forward defensive!
There is a train of thought that you get rid of the short fielders by attacking the bowler and playing your shots. This may work against their own bowlers on English (and Welsh :yikes:) pitches but not against this quality of bowler and on Indian pitches.
Entertaining series though, I didn't think I'd enjoy it as much as I did.
Credit must go to India, they bowled better and showed the English batsmen how to make BIG scores.
Unfortunately it is the same issue every time.
Solid start, then lose a wicket, then the domino effect.
Not sure why England suffer so much and other major test nations do not crumble regularly.
India had just come off a massive score and probably could have batted on that wicket for 5 whole days, then England show just how you can be skittled out on that beautiful batting wicket. :shrug:
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Eric the Half a Bee
It has to be said that such a move would deny good Welsh players the opportunity to play at the top level. I presume you're ok with that.
Absolutely
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PerryJason
Oh dear!!:hehe:
Oh dear? I've provided a rational argument. £3m is 100 times more than 30k. Also, given the Cardiff test attendances are extremely high, and we're now getting Ashes tests, cricket in Wales is on the up.
If you can provide rational points re cricket in Wales, or even cricket in general, I'd love to discuss them at length.
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Whisperer
Absolutely
They'll never play Test cricket, so what will happen, like Ireland, the best players won't bother to play for Wales so they can become England qualified, which they probably already are because of the UK's status. It isn't like football, at all. Wales will be playing 2 odi games and funding for the game will dry up, meaning facilities will decrease and less kids will be playing cricket. We'll play at best, 2 games a year, probably lose them because they'll be in Nepal etc, and we'll never get anywhere.
There are 9 decent Test sides (I'm not counting Zimbabwe) in the world, and then a handful of smaller nations that will never get a seat a the top table, cricket is a closed club, regardless of what the ICC say.
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I'm a bit saddened that the many people who want to watch Wales play cricket don't actually watch Wales play cricket. I mean there is a team called Wales and they play other counties at minor county level. If the thousands of fans started turning up to these games, people would see the demand for Welsh team representation and it could start from there.
At the moment the protesters feel like the best way to get their aims is to spout off on message boards and start petitions, whilst at the same time 1 man and his dog are actually turning up to games.
The message sent is that people actually involved in either running or supporting cricket in this country are not interested in Wales. It would take a huge change in structure for us to run anything near a professional structure in this country as an independent nation.
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I would be happy if the press/media/pundits started to say 'the EWCB' instead of 'the ECB'.
Ideally the matches would be England & Wales vs whoever, not England vs.... but that is a much bigger change and against the weight of history and custom. After all, it took Tobago decades of messageboard campaigning before they got the recognition they deserved!
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jon1959
I would be happy if the press/media/pundits started to say 'the EWCB' instead of 'the ECB'.
Ideally the matches would be England & Wales vs whoever, not England vs.... but that is a much bigger change and against the weight of history and custom. After all, it took Tobago decades of messageboard campaigning before they got the recognition they deserved!
I've got no problem with people not supporting England, however the ECB does fund cricket in Wales, if your kid gets coached that coach is qualified via ECB money.
The situation with cricket in Wales at the moment is that it is struggling. Clubs are going to the wall at a good rate. There is no support at club level, there is no support at minor counties level, and the county team that represents Wales are one of the lowest supported in the structure. The ECB want to cut clubs to increase the standard would be more than happy for Wales/Glamorgan to go it alone.
For that to happen the structure needs to change dramatically, people need to support their clubs to ensure money is going in. Whenever i have asked why the people who want a Wales side do not support the current Wales side the usual response is that they are not that interested in cricket.
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I can see why people are uncomfortable with the situation and the pompous media are the main reason for this. I think it is easier to stomach if one looks on it as seeing "England" as the brand.
Robert Croft in his England days likened playing for Glamorgan as playing for Wales and playing for England as the British Lions.
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qccfc
I've got no problem with people not supporting England, however the ECB does fund cricket in Wales, if your kid gets coached that coach is qualified via ECB money.
The situation with cricket in Wales at the moment is that it is struggling. Clubs are going to the wall at a good rate. There is no support at club level, there is no support at minor counties level, and the county team that represents Wales are one of the lowest supported in the structure. The ECB want to cut clubs to increase the standard would be more than happy for Wales/Glamorgan to go it alone.
For that to happen the structure needs to change dramatically, people need to support their clubs to ensure money is going in. Whenever i have asked why the people who want a Wales side do not support the current Wales side the usual response is that they are not that interested in cricket.
The politicians calling for a Welsh national team are idiots. Bethan Jenkins says look at the stands during a national game to see the desire for a Welsh team. Well, the full house vs Australia is impressive, but that's Australia in a test match, not Nepal in a poxy ODI. Without the ECB funding, cricket would struggle even more. I played for Chepstow until I moved up North, and our new nets were paid for with an ECB grant. They're fantastic and Chepstow had 4 adult teams, and 2 sides for each age group at youth level.
The ECB 100% think there are too many counties, the problem is, there isn't an easy way to get rid of them, I'd think they'd be more than happy to let Leicestershire and Northants etc go to the wall. The main issue in Wales is, why aren't we producing a player of test quality, the last was James Harris (possibly) and before that Simon Jones.
