Re: Hammonds u-turn on NI.
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Originally Posted by
Nelsonca61
Did I not hear Labour Mp's laughing their nuggets off when the announcement was being made in the house with the speaker having to demand order?.
It's almost as pathetic as a MB poster announcing retirement like a 5 year old, only to return 10 mins later :-)
Do you consider Labour MPs as all socialists?
Re: Hammonds u-turn on NI.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Do you consider Labour MPs as all socialists?
No, the likes of Kinnock and his wife etc, but the majority Yes
Re: Hammonds u-turn on NI.
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Pearcey3
Fair play it's ill-informed posts like this which remind me why I try to stay away from political threads on here. For info, just because someone has a different opinion than you does not automatically mean that they are a right winger.
:thumbup:
Ok. I don't know your politics but your defense of his action is not credible. He has no support from within his own party and it was made clear to him the policy was a non starter. He had no choice but to Uturn.
Re: Hammonds u-turn on NI.
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Originally Posted by
Nelsonca61
Did I not hear Labour Mp's laughing their nuggets off when the announcement was being made in the house with the speaker having to demand order?.
It's almost as pathetic as a MB poster announcing retirement like a 5 year old, only to return 10 mins later :-)
Is this the first time you watched footage from the HOC? It is constant childish shit from all sides.
Re: Hammonds u-turn on NI.
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Originally Posted by
ninianclark
I know the irony here is astonishing :hehe:
CCMB champagne socialists own goal :hehe: :hehe:
Re: Hammonds u-turn on NI.
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Originally Posted by
ninianclark
I know the irony here is astonishing :hehe:
No irony. Hammond has committed to the social care funding. He had better stick to his promises or he will take another caning. Perhaps he can find the money by taking away the money May wants to waste on building grammar schools.
Re: Hammonds u-turn on NI.
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Originally Posted by
Nelsonca61
CCMB champagne socialists own goal :hehe: :hehe:
Silly me. There was me thinking it was a Tory cabinet own goal :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:
Thanks for pointing out the mistake! :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:
(PS I borrowed some smilies from chris :thumbup: :hehe:)
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Of course if a Labour Chancellor had to do a humiliating Uturn the Tory opposition would just sit there and approve of such refreshing behaviour. The hypocrisy on here is laughable.
Re: Hammonds u-turn on NI.
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jon1959
Silly me. There was me thinking it was a Tory cabinet own goal :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:
Thanks for pointing out the mistake! :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:
(PS I borrowed some smilies from chris :thumbup: :hehe:)
I know Jon. They will try and Blame Corbyn if they can. Or is it Blair?
Re: Hammonds u-turn on NI.
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Alfonso Perez
Ok. I don't know your politics but your defense of his action is not credible. He has no support from within his own party and it was made clear to him the policy was a non starter. He had no choice but to Uturn.
When it comes to politics I think that there are far too many people who think that their opinion is far more important/credible than others. At the end of the day it is about opinions & if we all thought the same way the world would be a very boring place. You think that Hammond had no choice & I want to give him some credit for changing his mind, in the grand scheme of things it's not something to get really excited about!
Re: Hammonds u-turn on NI.
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
When it comes to politics I think that there are far too many people who think that their opinion is far more important/credible than others. At the end of the day it is about opinions & if we all thought the same way the world would be a very boring place. You think that Hammond had no choice & I want to give him some credit for changing his mind, in the grand scheme of things it's not something to get really excited about!
OK. If thats your genuinely held belief.
Re: Hammonds u-turn on NI.
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Originally Posted by
Alfonso Perez
I think it's refreshing that a politician has listened & acted upon the feedback. Admitting that you are wrong can be a difficult thing to do so credit to Hammond for taking the action he has
Are you convinced that was what actually happened?
Re: Hammonds u-turn on NI.
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Originally Posted by
Nelsonca61
Socialists now celebrating that less money will be going to social care!!!!.
Where did you glean that - big poster on the side of a bus ? again .. :-)
Re: Hammonds u-turn on NI.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Do you consider Labour MPs as all socialists?
Ah, the old 2-party illusion of choice trick is still going strong :biggrin:
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Corbyn's performance at Question Time was predictably feeble, but how some can view a complete cave in by the Chancellor and Prime Minister as anything other than embarrassing for the Government is beyond me. Of course, there are those who turn things on their head and so it becomes another opportunity to blame the Labour Party, but, forget whether the policy was right or wrong, it was craven and cowardly for May and Hammond to collapse like they did and, by any normal political standards, they should really be on the defensive now because of their weakness.
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What's pathetic is any Government which rolls out a policy in a budget one week with all of the bluster and ridiculing of the opposition that you always get. It's also pathetic that the opposition has to oppose that policy just because they are supposed to do that and then it's even more pathetic that, within a week, the same Government is now saying that, although the Chancellor still believes it was the correct policy, they were wrong - so, we are all supposed to forget what they were saying last week.
As was remarked earlier in the thread, you would be having a field day if a Labour Government had behaved like this one has done in the last seven days, and when Osborn had to climb down two years ago - just because the main opposition party is rubbish, it doesn't mean that this isn't a weak and too easily swayed Government.
Re: Hammonds u-turn on NI.
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ninianclark
So Bob - people complained about the NI increase for the richest in society (that are SELF EMPLOYED), so the Govt then re commit to not increasing NI for these self employed people on 50k a year in this parliament - and then the same people complain about the Govt being weak - that's politics I guess - pathetic basically
I don't think posters are particularly critical of the theory behind Hammonds attempted change to NI.
If it had been in the manifesto, and they had been elected with it in the manifesto, it could not have attracted criticism.
But it wasn't in the election manifesto - quite the opposite.
And if it had been, they may well have not managed to secure an election victory.
It is indefensible! - yet you persist.
If it is a great idea (and on the face of things, it might be) perhaps they can 'simply' put it in their next election* manifesto.
I very much suspect that they wont - eh?! (* if we are still pretending to be a democracy by then).
Re: Hammonds u-turn on NI.
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Originally Posted by
ninianclark
The only people I heard bleating on that they did not approve of the policy was opposition MPs (as they would do anyway) and some Tory ones. I heard very very very little from anyone whop it actually effected - self employed 'consultants' on over 50k a year (I am one - and was more than happy with it).
So then - the all those that opposed it - where would you get the money from now ? , maybe he'll put income tax up or increase the tax on sugary drinks, no doubt that will be attacked as being a tax on fat people, on poor people who need full fat coke.... yawn
Have you thought about seeing a doctor?
Re: Hammonds u-turn on NI.
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ninianclark
Eric - I dont think I will ever agree with you on anything , other than you are a c unt. That I'm sure we are both agreed upon.
Have you ever thought about f ucking off back under your rock (built by the local council housing dept obviously)
Blimey, someone needs another timeout.