Re: If/when Corbyn loses?
If when JC Loses I'd like to see Keir Starmer in charge. Class act on radio 4 this morning.
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CardiffIrish2
If when JC Loses I'd like to see Keir Starmer in charge. Class act on radio 4 this morning.
he came across well but just like every politician he dodges the questions he can't answer. He is no Dianne Abbot though.
My personal view, and it is only that, is that on social media and forums such as this Corbyn is overplayed somewhat, whereas in reality, he isn't do as well. I expect a Tory victory, but we need a good showing from Labour to hold this government to account and stop the inexorable march to the right.
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CardiffIrish2
If when JC Loses I'd like to see Keir Starmer in charge. Class act on radio 4 this morning.
Agreed. Bit dry but he definitely has that kind of credibility that the British public just want to trust.
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TISS
he came across well but just like every politician he dodges the questions he can't answer. He is no Dianne Abbot though.
My personal view, and it is only that, is that on social media and forums such as this Corbyn is overplayed somewhat, whereas in reality, he isn't do as well. I expect a Tory victory, but we need a good showing from Labour to hold this government to account and stop the inexorable march to the right.
Agree with that, whilst i don't see a coalitions The Green, SNP, Labour, Lib Dems and Plaid need to be aligned in holding the Tories to account.
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It is my opinion that the establishment and the corporations are desperate for the Labour Party to make a swift return to their Tory Lite version.
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ninianclark
There is no magic money tree, just as there were no WMD. Everybody wanted to find it - to prove they were right all along - and that they hadnt been lied to.
The election was called to get a mandate for Brexit - and that really is all that matters in this election. In 11 days after the election result - the Brexit negotiations start. So you only have one question to ask yourself.
Do you want David Davis, Boris Johnson and Liam Fox or do you want Keir Starmer, Emily Thornberry and Barry Gardine.
I digress a little - you also have to add in the mix - the spending plans. Labour want to spend / borrow an extra 250 billion in the hope that they can find that money from corporation tax increases - even though companies will instead move the money elsewhere. And then you find you have spent the money - and cant recoup it.
In my constituency - its a Labour done deal already. So my vote will go to whoever is likely to defeat the Labour candidate
48% of us didn't want Brexshit in the first place so personally I don't care who negotiates but I do hope it all goes completely tits up so I can have the pleasure of saying " told you " to the thick prats who voted for it , encouraged by the rabid Tory press.
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BlueWales
48% of us didn't want Brexshit in the first place so personally I don't care who negotiates but I do hope it all goes completely tits up so I can have the pleasure of saying " told you " to the thick prats who voted for it , encouraged by the rabid Tory press.
Likewise I want the Tories to win, so I can sneak a wry smile as I sip cocktails in my tropical hideaway :hehe:
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BlueWales
48% of us didn't want Brexshit in the first place so personally I don't care who negotiates but I do hope it all goes completely tits up so I can have the pleasure of saying " told you " to the thick prats who voted for it , encouraged by the rabid Tory press.
You imply Brexit prevailed because of a handful of newspapers. But in the Remain corner was the rest of the media, every political party bar UKIP and not just the UK establishment but the European and world too with the IMF and World Bank weighing in along with US President Obama. It's difficult to dispute that the powers that be pushed very hard for a Remain outcome.
You need not sulk though as Procrastinate-it and Dilute-it is the name of the game.
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It depends how Labour do. If the Tories don't win a majority of more than 50 he should stay. If they have a majority of 50/75 its borderline but if Lab's share of the vote is at least 33% he should stay. A Con maj north of 75 and I think he should quit.
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If Labour win less seats than last time (231) then surely Corbyn would have to go.
The odds are they'll remain on just one seat in the whole of Scotland come Friday. Those canny Jocks sussed-out years back that despite appearances to the contrary Tories/Labour delivered the same thing.
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Organ Morgan.
If Labour win less seats than last time (231) then surely Corbyn would have to go.
The odds are they'll remain on just one seat in the whole of Scotland come Friday. Those canny Jocks sussed-out years back that despite appearances to the contrary Tories/Labour delivered the same thing.
Nope. I think Labour will pick up a bigger share of the vote this time around than in either 2010 and 2015 but will lose seats as Con will poll at over 40%. Lab may even poll more than the 35% Blair's Labour did in 2005 when they won a comfortable majority. So even if they lose seats he can argue they have won a greater share of the national vote. He had also campaigned well and I think more of the party will back him if the losses are relatively few.
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Wales-Bales
It is my opinion that the establishment and the corporations are desperate for the Labour Party to make a swift return to their Tory Lite version.
That's been clear right from the time he was first elected leader. The personality assassination started immediately and there has been no let up. The fact that he finds himself in a much stronger position now despite the absolutely relentless smearing is very impressive. May wouldn't last five minutes in the face of such media aggression.
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Barry Shitpeas
That's been clear right from the time he was first elected leader. The personality assassination started immediately and there has been no let up. The fact that he finds himself in a much stronger position now despite the absolutely relentless smearing is very impressive. May wouldn't last five minutes in the face of such media aggression.
Spot on. He is incredibly resilient
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Wales-Bales
It is my opinion that the establishment and the corporations are desperate for the Labour Party to make a swift return to their Tory Lite version.
Tremendous insight there.
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ninianclark
There is no magic money tree, just as there were no WMD. Everybody wanted to find it - to prove they were right all along - and that they hadnt been lied to.
The election was called to get a mandate for Brexit - and that really is all that matters in this election. In 11 days after the election result - the Brexit negotiations start. So you only have one question to ask yourself.
Do you want David Davis, Boris Johnson and Liam Fox or do you want Keir Starmer, Emily Thornberry and Barry Gardine.
I digress a little - you also have to add in the mix - the spending plans. Labour want to spend / borrow an extra 250 billion in the hope that they can find that money from corporation tax increases - even though companies will instead move the money elsewhere. And then you find you have spent the money - and cant recoup it.
In my constituency - its a Labour done deal already. So my vote will go to whoever is likely to defeat the Labour candidate
You forgot to mention strong and stable, and Jeremy being Part of ISIS.
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Dr Lecter
You forgot to mention strong and stable, and Jeremy being Part of ISIS.
Playing Theresa May catchphrase bingo with ninianclark's posts is great fun.
Ohh balls I am stalking him again.
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Organ Morgan.
You imply Brexit prevailed because of a handful of newspapers. But in the Remain corner was the rest of the media, every political party bar UKIP and not just the UK establishment but the European and world too with the IMF and World Bank weighing in along with US President Obama. It's difficult to dispute that the powers that be pushed very hard for a Remain outcome.
You need not sulk though as Procrastinate-it and Dilute-it is the name of the game.
Brexit prevailed as every National Paper except the Mirror and Guardian were for it and posted the most outrageous headlines for
weeks to try to get their way.
Also The Tories were mostly pro brexit in their campaigning and Corbyn ( a closet brexit supporter ) led a pathetic campaign. So only the Lib Dems were truely remain and they were broken by the election with a hand full of seats.
Other than newspapers I felt the media were even handed but Laz E Boy Cameron called the referendum and sat on his arse thereafter. Pipsqueak Farage who could never get himself a seat in Parliament was the tail that wagged the dog.
