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Corbyn the Cold War spy
Why on earth would anyone vote for this idiot who clearly hates this country.
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Why on Earth would any idiot believe such a ludicrous story?
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Originally Posted by
CardiffIrish2
Why on Earth would any idiot believe such a ludicrous story?
Its funny how it mysteriously appears the day after Boris' speech falls flat.
I think people began to switch off to the anti-Corbyn stuff during the last election so it is interesting that CCHQ still perseveres with it as their primary weapon.
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Originally Posted by
Nick
Why on earth would anyone vote for this idiot who clearly hates this country.
Link?
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Originally Posted by
Nick
Why on earth would anyone vote for this idiot who clearly hates this country.
I did,l would,l will.
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I would vote for him over the capitalist Tory scum anytime
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Originally Posted by
Nick
Why on earth would anyone vote for this idiot who clearly hates this country.
He is a Privy Councillor which means he has been fully vetted by the security services and is squeaky clean. They are clever people. You are very silly.
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I wouldn't vote for him as he is pro - brexit. Simple !
Will make it easier for his Russian pals to march in when we are little Britain all alone.:hehe:
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Originally Posted by
Nick
Why on earth would anyone vote for this idiot who clearly hates this country.
This story is all about Corbyn refusing to do as he is told by the Israel lobby. Anyone who opposes them will be destroyed.
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Don't understand all the fuss, it's quite clear where his politics and allegiances are ,he's not hidden them ,and the story supports that , so let's just move on, vote for him or not ,it's that bloody simple
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Originally Posted by
David Vincent
This story is all about Corbyn refusing to do as he is told by the Israel lobby. Anyone who opposes them will be destroyed.
Not the thread's theme but can't be bothered to create a new one. My doom antenna, which is finely tuned, is humming. I predict it's going to kick-off big time in Syria within the next three days. If, and it's a big if, Russia directly engages Yanks or Ashkenazi forces in Assad's defence then we're on for the big one, else a huge Middle East conflict will ensue as Syria/Iran won't allow the partition of the country without a fight.
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Originally Posted by
ninianclark
Corbyn is an ideological idiot - and there are plenty of other ideological idiots out there who will vote for him - who believe the dream / bollox he is promising. So if an idiot votes for an idiot - that doesnt actually make him a genius.
It seems in this case
https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-co...d-war-11253891 Corbyn was done up like a kipper - a willing kipper from someone who doesnt necessary hate this country - but someone who despises any politics other than his own - is prepared to jeopardise the security of it.
It is akin to letting an ex bank robber who has now been 'reformed' and wants to be in charge of the bank...... - there are better left wing candidates out there
I cringe at Corbyn quite regularly but the plan since 2010 has failed at almost every turn. The ideology has failed in practice, trickle down is a myth, QE hasn't worked (unless the aim was to hand extra cash to the richest people), this has led to almost every one of their own targets being missed. So what do we do? Everyone who dismisses this governments (including 2010-now) approach based on factual evidence is an idiot now?
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Originally Posted by
ninianclark
I strangely agree with you Eric, and it is partly that failure that has let Corbyn in - and the fact that Margaret Beckett lent Corbyn her vote so he could get on the ballot box in the first place "I was a moron to give my vote to Corbyn"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33625612
The simple answer is - if it was that easy it would have been done by now. The long answer is - there is no quick solution - trying to get the deficit down alone was a near impossible task - anyway the thread is not about economics, it's about Corbyn and his credibility.
My own opinion - he is an ideological dreamer, that has never been anything other than a back bencher before becoming leader, so it's easy to carp on from the side lines - it's a bit harder - when you have to write the cheques / balance the books / keep everyone onside. If you think Trump is bad - wait till you get a real idiot in charge of a country.
The final paragraph makes no sense. All the reasons you list for Corbyn being unqualified make Trump even more so. So why would he be worse?
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Eric Cartman
The final paragraph makes no sense. All the reasons you list for Corbyn being unqualified make Trump even more so. So why would he be worse?
Th PM of our country has much more power than the president of the USA,.
Trumps only real power is the armed forces , which we may not need if JC comes to power.
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Th PM of our country has much more power than the president of the USA,.
Trumps only real power is the armed forces , which we may not need if JC comes to power.
Unless Corbyn guts the plp then what you are saying is absolutely not true.
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ninianclark
Basically as others have said - The President of the USA has certain limits on what he can get through - so in Trumps case - military action, lowering tax (I think) and building a wall.
A Prime Minister can do just about whatever they want - as long as they can take the cabinet with them. So in Corbyn's case - he would have no problem with a cabinet, he would have no problem with MPs as they will have all had to pass a Momentum check list - or be deselected, and he has changed the Labour leadership process as he not ?
- Mandatory deselection is talked about a lot but I don't actually think the appetite for it is over egged.
- Labour would need a majority in the house to have anything like the power you are suggesting (if they gut the party of popular constituency MP's then they almost certainly wouldn't gain one).
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Eric Cartman
Unless Corbyn guts the plp then what you are saying is absolutely not true.
I think he would gut a lot of things, his anti western ,establishment and big business is well documented , we wont need borders just extra housing, hospitals ,school's and a beafed up welfare bill.
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Originally Posted by
Nick
Why on earth would anyone vote for this idiot who clearly hates this country.
Give it a few years and he'll be out of the way, and this experimental period of immaturity and silliness in British politics will be over. Given time, he will be reviled and laughed at even more than Michael Foot or the hapless Gordon Brown.
It's just a phase that's all. Just a phase. Just a like a fancy new crepe shop that pops up. People think "Oooh that's new let's give it a try." Responses range from "ooh lovely" to "uuurgh that's odd". And eventually the fad or phase goes away. Years later people wonder what the fuss was all about. The only people that don't need to experiment are the ones who know it isn't new and was done all before, decades ago, and resulted in disaster. To them, it is money for old rope. To those who don't remember it they think it's new or novelty. But it's just a phase. Give it time and one way or another, most will come to their senses and he'll barely figure in the annals of history.
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Originally Posted by
ninianclark
As said Corbyn seems to be an ideological idiot, that couldnt run a bath let alone a country.
It's the people behind Corbyn I find quite sinister, the creeping anti jewishness, the momentum short listing and de selection threat. The promise to spend 250 BILLION over 10 years.
To say they are way too far to the left is an understatement ... so not my bag, I just fear that the dreamers out there are being hood winked by it, just like I was by the union campaigns of the 80's.
Not overtly fussed on the conservatives at the moment either - so very little choice at the moment. The only saving grace is that even with the conservatives getting distracted by Brexit etc - Labour still seem to be in complete disarray, a front bench that no one likes, and all the talent Labour did have has been replaced by amateur at best, politicians.
Keir Staman - I have time for, Dianne Abbott - I switch off now, Chuka - is a choker - when he had the chance he cited press intrusion - although that problem never seems to stop him popping up on every news program these days.
Back to the 3 spies, it seems they were all used for information - and paid for providing it - I doubt we'll have a Trump / FBI style interrogation though
The founder and chairman of momentum is Jewish. You can read a lot about him in the right wing tabloid press, he is typified as a money grabbing Jewish champagne socialist (which obviously isn't anti-Semitic at all).
Which bits of the manifesto were far-left in your opinion? Labour are beyond far left at the minute so it isn't a difficult question for you to answer.
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
The founder and chairman of momentum is Jewish. You can read a lot about him in the right wing tabloid press, he is typified as a money grabbing Jewish champagne socialist (which obviously isn't anti-Semitic at all).
Which bits of the manifesto were far-left in your opinion? Labour are beyond far left at the minute so it isn't a difficult question for you to answer.
Now that Raul Castro has stood down in Cuba, perhaps Jeeremy Corbyn ought to die his beard a latino-dark colour and change citizenship. He can then help move Cuba to the right.
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ninianclark
Labour Party has three separate “categories” of anti-Semitism but has “a lot of denial” that the problem exists, the founder of the Corbynite group Momentum has admitted.
Jon Lansman, who is himself Jewish, said Labour must do more to “stamp out” anti-Semitism in the party, though he said there is no “one size fits all” solution to the problem.
Antisemitism inside Labour must be dealt with despite a “lot of denial” that the party has a problem, the founder of the pro-Corbyn group Momentum said yesterday.
Speaking at a Jewish cultural festival, Jon Lansman (went to private school - so a good socialist then) said that there were three categories of prejudice towards Jewish people within the party, ranging from “petty remarks about big noses” to “blood libel”.
Seems to me - like the Leader of Momentum and Corbyn's bum licker in chief thinks there is a problem
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...tism-9c7j2ptn2
"Unlike some on the hard Left, Lansman has been willing to admit that Labour has a problem with anti-Semitism"
https://www.timesofisrael.com/jeremy...-labour-party/
I seem to remember you calling someone a member of the Gestapo (Nazi secret Police) last week :hehe:
I am not sure Mr Lansman had much control over where he went to school. I am also not sure what the point of any of that is. I know nothing of the inner workings of the Labour party as i am not a member, they probably do have a problem. It feels like you were trying to avoid the question.
I'll try again.
Which bits of the manifesto were far-left in your opinion? Labour are beyond far left at the minute so it isn't a difficult question for you to answer.
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Originally Posted by
Keyser Soze
Now that Raul Castro has stood down in Cuba, perhaps Jeeremy Corbyn ought to die his beard a latino-dark colour and change citizenship. He can then help move Cuba to the right.
I thought political satire was meant to be easy in these days of Corbyn, Trump and brexit.
Question is open to you too.
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
I thought political satire was meant to be easy in these days of Corbyn, Trump and brexit.
Question is open to you too.
What question?
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Originally Posted by
ninianclark
Eric - it may come as a surprise to you - but you dont tell me what to do - #gestapo
I mentioned Lansman - as you seemed to think that because Lansman is Jewish and started "momentum" that ergo Labour doesnt have a problem with anti semitism - I think you will find that Lansman does in fact think Labour has a problem with anti-semites in its party - as he himself has said
Re Policy / Manifesto - I couldnt give a f uck mate and I wont be going to do your research for you either. You should be able to wipe your own bottom by now - do it yourself.
Is this the bit now where you start to mention Grindr and peoples cock size (like you did previously)
I am just asking you to explain what you mean. Do you not know yourself?
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To say they are way too far to the left is an understatement ... so not my bag
Just wondering how you reached this conclusion.
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Originally Posted by
Keyser Soze
What question?
This one that was for ninianclark:
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Which bits of the manifesto were far-left in your opinion? Labour are beyond far left at the minute so it isn't a difficult question for you to answer.
I hear very often that Labour are a far left party, I don't really see it. There are questions to be asked of it's leadership and momentum certainly but beyond John McDonnell saying the occasional silly thing (that they could never realistically put into practice as government) the majority of what they push are popular ideas (centre/left of centre).
This approach is becoming really common in politics (and really really common on here), presenting someones opinion as polarised for effect - Far right/Far left, it is the main thing that inhibits meaningful debate.
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Originally Posted by
Keyser Soze
Give it a few years and he'll be out of the way, and this experimental period of immaturity and silliness in British politics will be over. Given time, he will be reviled and laughed at even more than Michael Foot or the hapless Gordon Brown.
It's just a phase that's all. Just a phase. Just a like a fancy new crepe shop that pops up. People think "Oooh that's new let's give it a try." Responses range from "ooh lovely" to "uuurgh that's odd". And eventually the fad or phase goes away. Years later people wonder what the fuss was all about. The only people that don't need to experiment are the ones who know it isn't new and was done all before, decades ago, and resulted in disaster. To them, it is money for old rope. To those who don't remember it they think it's new or novelty. But it's just a phase. Give it time and one way or another, most will come to their senses and he'll barely figure in the annals of history.
Patronising or what?
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
Unless Corbyn guts the plp then what you are saying is absolutely not true.
And you dont think thats under way as we speak ?
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Originally Posted by
Mambo
Those of us of a certain age have definitely seen it all before, tax and spend, boom and bust, inflation, recession. The problems are always there - they are the issues you have to face when trying to run a country and economy arent they ?.
Anyone else remember the 70's, semi permanent strikes, 3 day weeks, massive wage increases for public sector workers, not being very productive "sick man of Europe" etc triggers inflation etc etc rinse and repeat. That situation had to be fixed, you cant fix that though without some tough choices.
I remember the 80's,90's and then we reset when Blair came back in - spent too much again - same story.
The miners strike was a mistake, but seeing as Scargill would never have a vote on it!! he was not without blame.
Corbyn and Co - at that time - were very much in mould of Che Guevara uber protesting, secondary picketing on behalf of Polish apple pickers etc. So it's without much surprise to hear that a former Czech spy - paid them 10k to speak to them in the hope of gaining information or getting them to adopt a certain policy etc.
Whether Corbyn knew he was a spy etc - will never be established, the problem was that he (Corbyn) was getting paid by them - so potentially he was theirs. The same problem applies somewhat to a lesser extent to Livingstone - who yesterday admitted meeting a KGB spy, who was an under cover reporter.
Case to answer - yes, were they duped into it - probably, are they spies - no I dont think so, maybe a little susceptible to influence perhaps. The real issue being - were they really paid 10k ? - I would thought this was against Parliamentary rules - and what were they paid for ? - I dont think has been addressed.
To answer you questions I clearly remeber the awful 3 day week and being held to ransom by very powerful unions backed by left wing money and politicians , long term it badly damaged the working man .
I attending a number of high end union events around the UK in the day where the evening fringe events had the hot spot debates with young Corbyn , Liverpool based militant , socilalist worker, Derek Hatton all trying to start a reveloution , they even had another version of our unions and others , they used to call the them the "" real unite"" or"" real num"" , what I have noticed recently is a few of those old boy names resurfacing in the name of momentum.
You only have to look at how badly this can go wrong by looking back at the Liverpool of the 80's which wanted to pull away from the UK some of that damage still exits in that city to this day .
I once attended a meeting some years later in Liverpool and was advised to leave the lift I was in due to the fact it was full of highly motivated union members whose behaviours were somewhat threating.
The results of that revolution are for all to see now masses of business relocated to greener fields away from the ideologies,taking the jobs with them .
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32913465
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Originally Posted by
Mambo
Those of us of a certain age have definitely seen it all before, tax and spend, boom and bust, inflation, recession. The problems are always there - they are the issues you have to face when trying to run a country and economy arent they ?.
Anyone else remember the 70's, semi permanent strikes, 3 day weeks, massive wage increases for public sector workers, not being very productive "sick man of Europe" etc triggers inflation etc etc rinse and repeat. That situation had to be fixed, you cant fix that though without some tough choices.
I remember the 80's,90's and then we reset when Blair came back in - spent too much again - same story.
The miners strike was a mistake, but seeing as Scargill would never have a vote on it!! he was not without blame.
Corbyn and Co - at that time - were very much in mould of Che Guevara uber protesting, secondary picketing on behalf of Polish apple pickers etc. So it's without much surprise to hear that a former Czech spy - paid them 10k to speak to them in the hope of gaining information or getting them to adopt a certain policy etc.
Whether Corbyn knew he was a spy etc - will never be established, the problem was that he (Corbyn) was getting paid by them - so potentially he was theirs. The same problem applies somewhat to a lesser extent to Livingstone - who yesterday admitted meeting a KGB spy, who was an under cover reporter.
Case to answer - yes, were they duped into it - probably, are they spies - no I dont think so, maybe a little susceptible to influence perhaps. The real issue being - were they really paid 10k ? - I would thought this was against Parliamentary rules - and what were they paid for ? - I dont think has been addressed.
I think that's a particularly one eyed interpretation of British politics over the past forty years, but you're entitled to your opinion and that's fine - you said what you did in a way that didn't come across like a world weary teacher talking down to their pupils.
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Must admit, I'm a little bit like Gluey when it comes to an anti Trump story here - I honestly don't know a great deal about it. I've just Googled "Corbyn and the spy" and what I got was a load of stuff which divided along predictable lines with the right wing media pushing the story for all it's worth and it being denied by the sort of people and publications you'd expect to be denying it.
https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...wing-communist
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/561484...y-allegations/
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a8218451.html
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...-know-12052581
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
And you dont think thats under way as we speak ?
I don't see any evidence of it.
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
I don't see any evidence of it.
oh dear
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
oh dear
Have Labour MPs be deselected by hq? I honestly thought this hadn't happened. Which ones have gone for not agreeing with Corbyn/Momentum?
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This anti-Corbyn news all about a certain foreign country losing control of the Labour Party. This foreign country also controls our media. You are being told there is a left wing – right wing schism in the Labour Party, but if you read the Labour Party messageboards you will see that they are not arguing about things like nationalisation or immigration. You will find they are mainly arguing about a certain country's "right to exist" and the Balfour Declaration.
This foreign country will not rest until they regain control of the Labour Party. By hook or by crook Corbyn will be removed.
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Originally Posted by
Mambo
Those of us of a certain age have definitely seen it all before, tax and spend, boom and bust, inflation, recession. The problems are always there - they are the issues you have to face when trying to run a country and economy arent they ?.
Anyone else remember the 70's, semi permanent strikes, 3 day weeks, massive wage increases for public sector workers, not being very productive "sick man of Europe" etc triggers inflation etc etc rinse and repeat. That situation had to be fixed, you cant fix that though without some tough choices.
I remember the 80's,90's and then we reset when Blair came back in - spent too much again - same story.
The miners strike was a mistake, but seeing as Scargill would never have a vote on it!! he was not without blame.
Corbyn and Co - at that time - were very much in mould of Che Guevara uber protesting, secondary picketing on behalf of Polish apple pickers etc. So it's without much surprise to hear that a former Czech spy - paid them 10k to speak to them in the hope of gaining information or getting them to adopt a certain policy etc.
Whether Corbyn knew he was a spy etc - will never be established, the problem was that he (Corbyn) was getting paid by them - so potentially he was theirs. The same problem applies somewhat to a lesser extent to Livingstone - who yesterday admitted meeting a KGB spy, who was an under cover reporter.
Case to answer - yes, were they duped into it - probably, are they spies - no I dont think so, maybe a little susceptible to influence perhaps. The real issue being - were they really paid 10k ? - I would thought this was against Parliamentary rules - and what were they paid for ? - I dont think has been addressed.
The sick man of Europe .....spoken like one of Maggie's arse lickers
Thatcher was a disaster for this country , she ruined what was left of post war society and created a me me me culture which pervades to this day
I wish corbyn the very best in taking on may , this current lot are worse , if that's possible , than Thatcher
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Nick
Why on earth would anyone vote for this idiot who clearly hates this country.
The funny thing is, the Tories are on another smear campaign just after the last one failed dismally. It's also fecking hilarious that Theresa May, in a bid to win the young vote, set up a commission on Student Fees that will, basically, do sod all and drive even more students to the ballot boxes next time around.
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David Vincent
This story is all about Corbyn refusing to do as he is told by the Israel lobby. Anyone who opposes them will be destroyed.
Splott Dai amazingly links this to Israel. What a shocker.
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Originally Posted by
ninianclark
Corbyn is an ideological idiot - and there are plenty of other ideological idiots out there who will vote for him - who believe the dream / bollox he is promising. So if an idiot votes for an idiot - that doesnt actually make him a genius.
It seems in this case
https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-co...d-war-11253891 Corbyn was done up like a kipper - a willing kipper from someone who doesnt necessary hate this country - but someone who despises any politics other than his own - is prepared to jeopardise the security of it.
It is akin to letting an ex bank robber who has now been 'reformed' and wants to be in charge of the bank...... - there are better left wing candidates out there
OK Feedy, are you really saying that I am an idiot for not voting Tory at the last, and indeed, at the next election?
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Originally Posted by
Badly Ironed Shirt
The funny thing is, the Tories are on another smear campaign just after the last one failed dismally. It's also fecking hilarious that Theresa May, in a bid to win the young vote, set up a commission on Student Fees that will, basically, do sod all and drive even more students to the ballot boxes next time around.
The sun and the mail on a smear campaign against labour ?
Don't be daft !
Anyone would think they are crapping themselves over the popularity of corbyn
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the other bob wilson
Patronising or what?
I thought he was being hopeful. Corbyn is the next PM, not even Murdoch can save May now. Before the last election, the thought of Corbyn being PM didn't fill me with much hope. Now, I am as desperate to see him as PM as I have been for anyone in my lifetime.