Re: Belarus/Poland situation
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
Pretty scary listening to Gen. Nick Carter on the Andrew Marr programme yesterday when he said that of course we would support our NATO allies in Poland in the event of a threat from Russia. Echoes of 1939 I thought, just a different adversary this time. With all that's going on - COVID and climate change - who in their right minds would want to provoke another war in Europe? Insanity.
It's a bloody mess. Russia / Belarus unquestionably using migrants as a political tool, but that is the case in many cases.
The EU should accept the (fairly low numbers) people currently on the border, and the means to stop them getting to Belarus, which are wholly political, should be stopped too. I think Turkey has stopped flights to Belarus in recent days.
It's a tinderbox and Russia is fighting for geopolitical power.
Belarus, incidentally is the present day country that proportionately lost more people in WW2 than any other.
Re: Belarus/Poland situation
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
Pretty scary listening to Gen. Nick Carter on the Andrew Marr programme yesterday when he said that of course we would support our NATO allies in Poland in the event of a threat from Russia. Echoes of 1939 I thought, just a different adversary this time. With all that's going on - COVID and climate change - who in their right minds would want to provoke another war in Europe? Insanity.
think russia & ukraine might
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59288181
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And how many terrorist are embedded in those immigrants that may slay the innocent 🤔
Re: Belarus/Poland situation
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
Pretty scary listening to Gen. Nick Carter on the Andrew Marr programme yesterday when he said that of course we would support our NATO allies in Poland in the event of a threat from Russia. Echoes of 1939 I thought, just a different adversary this time. With all that's going on - COVID and climate change - who in their right minds would want to provoke another war in Europe? Insanity.
Russia seeks to influence and/or take control of the former USSR satellite states, of course.
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Taunton Blue Genie
Russia seeks to influence and/or take control of the former USSR satellite states, of course.
Absolutely. Ukraine, Belarus, and to a lesser extent the Baltic and Balkan states are all susceptible to Russian attention based on the USSR's sphere of influence. They don't want to lose them to the west.
Re: Belarus/Poland situation
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Absolutely. Ukraine, Belarus, and to a lesser extent the Baltic and Balkan states are all susceptible to Russian attention based on the USSR's sphere of influence. They don't want to lose them to the west.
Not forgetting thier growing influence in Africa.
Any vulnerable state where they can create instability is a target for them and China .
Re: Belarus/Poland situation
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Originally Posted by
MOZZER2
The world has gone mad surely. On top of the climate change problem and a viral pandemic problem now this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59503762
A nuclear war might just do the job actually - reduce the human population at a stroke (human activity is responsible for climate change) and solve both problems simultaneously. There might be a rather large surge in CO2 emissions initially of course! :frown:
Re: Belarus/Poland situation
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
The world has gone mad surely. On top of the climate change problem and a viral pandemic problem now this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59503762
A nuclear war might just do the job actually - reduce the human population at a stroke (human activity is responsible for climate change) and solve both problems simultaneously. There might be a rather large surge in CO2 emissions initially of course! :frown:
Will it intrupt the football season ?? 🤔
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life on mars
Will it intrupt the football season ?? 🤔
Well put it this way, we wouldn't need to worry about possible relegation for City anymore. :wink:
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It's a mess and a worry but I do think it's sabre-rattling and countries trying to exert their influence in a post-covid world. Everything has been thrown up in the air and the cards may not land in the same place they were pre-covid.
I think Russia is still trying to find it's 'raison d'etre' in a post communist world too and as the world decarbonises we need them less and less.
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Ooooh when it suits old Europe they get all edgy about migration , pity they didn't listen to Camerons plea about migration and free movement before Brexit descended upon us .
Appogies below is a cut and past from the evil Times
"" European Union has been accused of “dehumanising” refugees after suspending asylum rules to allow the detention and speedy deportation of irregular migrants at Poland, Latvia and Lithuania’s border with Belarus.
Re: Belarus/Poland situation
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
It's a mess and a worry but I do think it's sabre-rattling and countries trying to exert their influence in a post-covid world. Everything has been thrown up in the air and the cards may not land in the same place they were pre-covid.
I think Russia is still trying to find it's 'raison d'etre' in a post communist world too and as the world decarbonises we need them less and less.
Russia's raison d'etre is to keep the oligarchs in power.
Re: Belarus/Poland situation
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
It's a mess and a worry but I do think it's sabre-rattling and countries trying to exert their influence in a post-covid world. Everything has been thrown up in the air and the cards may not land in the same place they were pre-covid.
I think Russia is still trying to find it's 'raison d'etre' in a post communist world too and as the world decarbonises we need them less and less.
They got eyes on Africa , they love to cozy up to areas of vulnerabilities and instability .
I expect to see a bare chested Putin to appear as Tarzan anytime soon in Africa , with Liz Truss pointing her tank at him ?
Re: Belarus/Poland situation
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
The world has gone mad surely. On top of the climate change problem and a viral pandemic problem now this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59503762
A nuclear war might just do the job actually - reduce the human population at a stroke (human activity is responsible for climate change) and solve both problems simultaneously. There might be a rather large surge in CO2 emissions initially of course! :frown:
looks like russia means business
https://tass.com/politics/1390505
russia could invade ukraine at any moment . over to you sleepy joe !
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-eur...ost_type=share
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MOZZER2
very different now...no trump with his dick out and begging to give putin a blowie.. strange times
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MOZZER2
Everyone will blame Trump if Russia moves , pity Germany and France doesn't have the balls to man up ?
Re: Belarus/Poland situation
I've listened Gen. Nick Carter and read a lot of what he's recently said. He seems to have a fixation about the Russians, and the perceived threat they present. Why ? They don't threaten Western Europe, especially the UK, and are challenging NATO's decision to increase their presence close the the Russian Border. I doubt France would welcome military maneuvers on their doorstep. There's absolutely no way Putin will back down.
Meanwhile the Chinese 'belt and Road' initiative arrives in Europe :
https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows...rings-attached
Re: Belarus/Poland situation
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
I've listened Gen. Nick Carter and read a lot of what he's recently said. He seems to have a fixation about the Russians, and the perceived threat they present. Why ?
They don't threaten Western Europe, especially the UK, and are challenging NATO's decision to increase their presence close the the Russian Border. I doubt France would welcome military maneuvers on their doorstep. There's absolutely no way Putin will back down.
Meanwhile the Chinese 'belt and Road' initiative arrives in Europe :
https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows...rings-attached
They threaten Eastern Europe though.
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MOZZER2
"sleepy joe"
Really? :shrug:
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Phew Joe is going in hard now after seemingly accepting minor incursions then u turning , bless him .
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bide...ry?id=82376647
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USA state department orders families of USA embassy personnel in Ukraine to begin evacuating the country as soon as Monday
doesn't sound too good does it
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Originally Posted by
MOZZER2
USA state department orders families of USA embassy personnel in Ukraine to begin evacuating the country as soon as Monday
doesn't sound too good does it
Heard Tobias Ellwood interviewed earlier. He seemed sure that war would break out in the next few days. So depressing.
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I still struggle to believe this could actually happen. I still believe it to be sabre rattling by Russia, keen to let the world know it still matters (which they really do)
Would be deeply deeply worrying.
Re: Belarus/Poland situation
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
I still struggle to believe this could actually happen. I still believe it to be sabre rattling by Russia, keen to let the world know it still matters (which they really do)
Would be deeply deeply worrying.
Rumours have it Putin is not likely to press the trigger as there's sure to be many bodybags returning to the Motherland , and Russians do not like that scenario.