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Just as there were many arguments from the establishment against it when this happened, there are many today who want people they disagree with imprisoned for their beliefs.
Mr Robinson seems to be in a position to again speak freely, and this will infuriate some here, but is it an historic moment ?
Can we prorogue Mr Yaxley-Lennon? Preferably permanently.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
Must be a sad and lonely afternoon for you when you’re that bored you’re mentioning Nelson Mandela and Yaxley Lennon in same tweet in shamefully pathetic attempt to get a rise out of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
Bless.
Don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
But is it in fact an historic moment ?Quote:
Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2
If you think a low level criminal who will be signing on weekly for the next few weeks at his Probation office is worthy of being deemed ‘an historic moment’ then your bar is very low.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
It's about as historic as discovering Sean Morrison had shit in a Cardiff street.Quote:
Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2
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Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2
Well I shall make no comment upon either man, but Nelson Mandella was certainly spoken about in similar terms by those of a conventional mindset at the time. Imprisonment is often the last resort of the establishment in trying to silence someone with frightening ideas to them.
It must be said, of course, that Irish nationalists were imprisoned and that the Ulster Scots and Unionists took a remarkably similar view to yourself about that. Perhaps you regret Irish independence , and that "low level criminals " as you call them achieved it, but it is nonetheless historic for that.
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Originally Posted by RonnieBird
I suggest you read a history book about Irish Nationalists.
Michael Collins for example risked his own life (which was taken eventually) for rhr independence of the Irish state.
He didn’t have convictions for domestic assault, fraud, contempt of court and nor did he make begging appeals for asylum to USA presidents.
For an ‘intellectual’ you’re continuing to make a silly point with your attempt at referencing men of genuine political principle prepared to die for their cause with a petty criminal who if it weren’t for the internet would be nothing more than a grubby criminal with no money or exposure.
Strange thing to say from someone who seems to have based their impression of Irish nationalism on a movie.
The case of Michael Collins was a complicated one, and he was by no means universally regarded as honourable within the nationalist movement.
That aside, well of course many of those involved in nationalism were arrested on any excuse and imprisoned for all sorts of things. They certainly did make appeals to the USA - described by your predecessors as " begging appeals". Similarly, the Irish would be described by those who opposed nationalism in very similar terms to those you have applied to this man.
No doubt they felt, as you appear to, that it was safer to hold onto the apron strings of a foreign power than demand home rule and risk any difficulties which might arise from that. It's fairly clear to me where you would have stood in that conflict, despite the fact that you no doubt have some romantic delusion on the matter. That's perfectly okay though - I don't mean to put you down for your honestly held opinions - but I do think it's hard for you to justify the inconsistency in your view of the matter of national sovereignty and rebellious individuals in different times and places.
What a pile of nonsense. A lot of hot hair trying to disguise yourself as making a salient point but it’s just words, assumptions and nothing of fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
You’re obviously on a wind up in that your post was insinuating that people will remember a petty criminal’s release as an historic moment as a man who unified his country and left a legacy in a lot of people’s minds of a respected statesman.
This in comparison to a cocaine using petty criminal who’d be a nothing without social media.
As for your comparison of the likes of De Valera’s appeal for recognition of the Irish republic (which the general election of 1918 gave him looking at Sinn Féin’s results) to Yaxley Lennon’s online begging appeal ....well you keep taking yourself that they’re comparable as few others will.
Yaxley Lennon’s quiet at the moment, guess he doesn’t want to breach his licence. I will look forward to his next speech and based on your previous nonsensical outpourings your comparison to Martin Luther King next I guess?