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US-UK discussing 1st November trade deal
LONDON (Reuters) - Britain and the United States are discussing a partial trade accord that could take effect on Nov. 1, the day after Britain is due to leave the European Union, a senior Trump administration official said on Tuesday.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1V31QV
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Remoaners and their beloved BBC would have trouble spinning that as a negative in spite of being afflicted with Stockholm Syndrome with their desire to continue being dominated by Germany and France while paying through the nose for the dubious privilege.
This new opinion poll will also confound those who are desperate to endure as forelock-tugging EU serfs.
https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b...?itok=bFGcy2_g
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Remoaners and their beloved BBC would have trouble spinning that as a negative in spite of being afflicted with Stockholm Syndrome with their desire to continue being dominated by Germany and France while paying through the nose for the dubious privilege.
This new opinion poll will also confound those who are desperate to endure as forelock-tugging EU serfs.
https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b...?itok=bFGcy2_g
One of the problems with the risk of blindness in one-eye is that you never know who will be afflicted next!
https://fullfact.org/europe/telegrap...ng-parliament/
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cyril evans awaydays
'Using statistics like a drunk man uses a lamppost, for support rather than illumination'
The primary purpose of polling these days is to drive public opinion not record it.
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Remoaners and their beloved BBC would have trouble spinning that as a negative in spite of being afflicted with Stockholm Syndrome with their desire to continue being dominated by Germany and France while paying through the nose for the dubious privilege.
This new opinion poll will also confound those who are desperate to endure as forelock-tugging EU serfs.
https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b...?itok=bFGcy2_g
We have a trade deal with the USA via the EU, and Trump hates it.
If we negotiate one on our own, it'll be one that Trump loves (as we'll be desperate).
Which deal do you think will be better for the UK? One Trump hates or one Trump loves?
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How many members of the public have the foggiest idea of the consequences of a no-deal Brexit (or even of staying in the EU)? Most people tend to speak using superficial slogans rather than having detailed economic arguments.
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lardy
We have a trade deal with the USA via the EU, and Trump hates it.
If we negotiate one on our own, it'll be one that Trump loves (as we'll be desperate).
Which deal do you think will be better for the UK? One Trump hates or one Trump loves?
Think you are wrong on this one. The proposed trade deal TTIP was stopped by Trump and was stalling anyway. Negotiations have restarted. You are right to point out what will be the marginal benefit of a UK/US deal compared with an EU/US deal when balanced against the no-deal with our biggest collective trading partner.
It is more the case when you look at the rest of the world. EU has negotiated deals with more and more of the globe, most recently Canada, Japan and the South American bloc (Mercasor) which we are frantically trying just to roll-over with a UK stamp by 31st October. Even then many countries are holding out on that sensing there are concessions to be squeezed.
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cyril evans awaydays
Think you are wrong on this one. The proposed trade deal TTIP was stopped by Trump and was stalling anyway. Negotiations have restarted. You are right to point out what will be the marginal benefit of a UK/US deal compared with an EU/US deal when balanced against the no-deal with our biggest collective trading partner.
It is more the case when you look at the rest of the world. EU has negotiated deals with more and more of the globe, most recently Canada, Japan and the South American bloc (Mercasor) which we are frantically trying just to roll-over with a UK stamp by 31st October. Even then many countries are holding out on that sensing there are concessions to be squeezed.
I stand corrected Cyril.
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Taunton Blue Genie
How many members of the public have the foggiest idea of the consequences of a no-deal Brexit (or even of staying in the EU)? Most people tend to speak using superficial slogans rather than having detailed economic arguments.
Here is a small example of the intricacies of global trade.
A friend of mine works for an agricultural marketing consultancy and has been working on a project on opportunities for export of skimmed milk powder to Indonesia.
Just the type of market post-Brexit that would be on our radar. 275 million people, 6% economic growth and an appetite for things produced in our temperate climate that they cannot produce themselves.
At the moment there is a 5% import duty on SMP whilst the Australians and New Zealanders have negotiated zero tariff via their trade deals. The hope has been to get equivalence and to be able to compete more easily.
Concurrently however, to show our environmental credentials and support for the preservation of the orang-utan we, along with other EU countries, decided to ban imports of Indonesian palm oil. Indonesia responded by increasing the import duty on SMP five-fold effectively excluding UK produce from that market.
You could argue that when we leave the EU we can unilaterally decide to lift the ban on palm oil and get preferential access to Indonesian markets, particularly as we may lose EU markets trading on WTO terms. Also the fate of the rain forest and the orang-utan is a small price to pay compared with the economic benefits that may accrue.
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I think we should close Dover for two weeks. Might give people an indication of what no deal Brexit will be all about and stop those advocating no deal Brexit harping back to crap references about a war they never lived through.
Bearing in mind people have a meltdown if they can’t get WiFi in a public place and rang 999 when kfc ran out of chicken be interesting to see the spirit of the Blitz come though then.
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cyril evans awaydays
Here is a small example of the intricacies of global trade.
A friend of mine works for an agricultural marketing consultancy and has been working on a project on opportunities for export of skimmed milk powder to Indonesia.
Just the type of market post-Brexit that would be on our radar. 275 million people, 6% economic growth and an appetite for things produced in our temperate climate that they cannot produce themselves.
At the moment there is a 5% import duty on SMP whilst the Australians and New Zealanders have negotiated zero tariff via their trade deals. The hope has been to get equivalence and to be able to compete more easily.
Concurrently however, to show our environmental credentials and support for the preservation of the orang-utan we, along with other EU countries, decided to ban imports of Indonesian palm oil. Indonesia responded by increasing the import duty on SMP five-fold effectively excluding UK produce from that market.
You could argue that when we leave the EU we can unilaterally decide to lift the ban on palm oil and get preferential access to Indonesian markets, particularly as we may lose EU markets trading on WTO terms. Also the fate of the rain forest and the orang-utan is a small price to pay compared with the economic benefits that may accrue.
Thanks, I welcome factual and helpful situation from either side of the fence in order to educate myself on a matter that I know so little about considering the complexities involved. It's just a pity that most people I come across (and see being questioned on TV in vox pop street interviews) know no more than me about the subject themselves but are very dogmatic about the ramifications of Brexit.
Unfortunately, my 'A' level Economics pass qualifies me to vote on the subject as much as my 'O' level woodwork qualifies me to design and create quality furniture from trees that are still standing.............
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Remoaners and their beloved BBC would have trouble spinning that as a negative in spite of being afflicted with Stockholm Syndrome with their desire to continue being dominated by Germany and France while paying through the nose for the dubious privilege.
This new opinion poll will also confound those who are desperate to endure as forelock-tugging EU serfs.
https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b...?itok=bFGcy2_g
I wonder what is worse, being "forelock tugging EU serfs" or forelock tugging US serfs?
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the other bob wilson
I wonder what is worse, being "forelock tugging EU serfs" or forelock tugging US serfs?
I think that rather depends on how many delegates we get offered to the Electoral College and how many Congressmen and women and senators we are allowed to elect if we are looking for some kind of democratic equivalence.
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cyril evans awaydays
I think that rather depends on how many delegates we get offered to the Electoral College and how many Congressmen and women and senators we are allowed to elect if we are looking for some kind of democratic equivalence.
My understanding of serfdom was that there was no representation as such and they were just grateful for whatever they could get.
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the other bob wilson
My understanding of serfdom was that there was no representation as such and they were just grateful for whatever they could get.
But...but in the EU the UK has/had 13% of the voting rights in the Council of Ministers and a veto on certain areas of foreign affairs, taxation, justice and budgets, almost 10% of the democratically elected MEPs and a Commissioner. Seems serfs are pampered and spoiled these days!
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cyril evans awaydays
I think that rather depends on how many delegates we get offered to the Electoral College and how many Congressmen and women and senators we are allowed to elect if we are looking for some kind of democratic equivalence.
I think that's probably the most ludicrous argument I've ever seen on this or any other message board .
We're not signing up as a State, or handing sovereignty to the USA by making a trade deal with them, so why on earth would we be taking part in their elections ?
I don't think you're so simple minded as to be mixing these completely different areas up, so that's just an attempt to mislead people isn't it ?
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lardy
We have a trade deal with the USA via the EU, and Trump hates it.
If we negotiate one on our own, it'll be one that Trump loves (as we'll be desperate).
Which deal do you think will be better for the UK? One Trump hates or one Trump loves?
Wot??? :hehe:
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RonnieBird
I think that's probably the most ludicrous argument I've ever seen on this or any other message board .
We're not signing up as a State, or handing sovereignty to the USA by making a trade deal with them, so why on earth would we be taking part in their elections ?
I don't think you're so simple minded as to be mixing these completely different areas up, so that's just an attempt to mislead people isn't it ?
He's too subtle for you, Ronnie.
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lardy
He's too subtle for you, Ronnie.
I thought I had layered it on with a plastering trowel but I suppose clarification is always helpful for the ignorant...or rather the ignored!
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cyril evans awaydays
I thought I had layered it on with a plastering trowel but I suppose clarification is always helpful for the ignorant...or rather the ignored!
You're record on this message board has been mostly abysmal. You have spent the past few years trying to convince everybody that Trump Russia Collusion and the subsequent Obstruction of Justice case was an actual thing. Although you may have tremendous self-belief, I have to take everything that you say with a pinch of salt based on observed outcomes. If you do want to be taken seriously, then you have start building a track record about being right about stuff, but it will probably never happen due your fondness for reading biased and clearly false news articles. You are are quite entertaining though and always good for a laugh, so please keep it up :thumbup:
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Four out of the five posters I thought I'd trigger have crossed the finishing line. I'm awaiting Cardiff Irish to weigh in for the accumulator to be in the money.
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cyril evans awaydays
I thought I had layered it on with a plastering trowel but I suppose clarification is always helpful for the ignorant...or rather the ignored!
Okay, but you didn't answer the point, did you ?
You have no idea whether I'm ignorant as you put it, so you base that upon nothing and it's just abusive - trying to play the man because you cannot play the ball.
For some reason best known to yourself , you're doing a tribute act of government spin doctors, but it's really not very convincing.
Your comments are not aimed at me of course, since you found out that you couldn't bullshit your way around the subject when you started trying to baffle me with science about farming and soon revealed that you were operating solely upon what you'd picked up whilst filing letters in DEFRA.
No, you're hoping you'll find an audience who won't question your broad statements and won't look beyond your your sad and empty put downs. I'm hoping that they'll see through you progressively though.
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Organ Morgan.
Four out of the five posters I thought I'd trigger have crossed the finishing line. I'm awaiting Cardiff Irish to weigh in for the accumulator to be in the money.
Well wagered. I must admit I let out a quiet chortle....alright a big guffaw, when you started quoting John Bolton. You have spent a few years posting on how he is the Prince of Darkness. Suddenly, the Walrus of War says the world will be fantastic for the UK from 1st November forwards and you treat anyone not bowing down to him walking down from Mount Sinai with some tablets of stone like a blasphemer. It's almost like Johnny Boy wants us to detach ourselves from Europe and start his next crusade against Iran asap. Given he is your new Moses I guess you are on board.
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
Four out of the five posters I thought I'd trigger have crossed the finishing line. I'm awaiting Cardiff Irish to weigh in for the accumulator to be in the money.
I posted above dear, you must be getting sloppy in your old age.
By the way I’m looking forward to your next Sludge instalment as that always brings a tear of laugher to my monobrowed chops 😉👍
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We are going to restore trust in our democracy and come out of the EU on October 31st <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeaveOct31?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Leav eOct31</a></p>— Boris Johnson (@BorisJohnson) <a href="https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1161891633543225344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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CardiffIrish2
I posted above dear, you must be getting sloppy in your old age.
By the way I’m looking forward to your next Sludge instalment as that always brings a tear of laugher to my monobrowed chops
Apologies for the oversight. Saw Sludge earlier as it happens. Will post a summary within a few hours.
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Organ Morgan.
Apologies for the oversight. Saw Sludge earlier as it happens. Will post a summary within a few hours.
These updates are on a par with the much missed Penarth Kev’s Deep In The Bowels 😉👍
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It appears the trade deal is the same one that May turned down, so at least we will get to witness the genius of Trumponomics close up! I hope it fails, otherwise you lot are in for a hammering on a similar scale to lardy's Trump Russia Collusion Delusion :biggrin:
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Wales-Bales
It appears the trade deal is the same one that May turned down, so at least we will get to witness the genius of Trumponomics close up! I hope it fails, otherwise you lot are in for a hammering on a similar scale to lardy's Trump Russia Collusion Delusion :biggrin:
As long as you’re happy WB I’m happy for you that you’ll be able to take such great pleasure.
Delighted for you mate honest 👍
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CardiffIrish2
As long as you’re happy WB I’m happy for you that you’ll be able to take such great pleasure.
Delighted for you mate honest ��
Thanks mate, much appreciated, but would it be too much to ask for a great awakening to take place among the political heavyweights on here? Opposite viewpoints are contintinually derided, and we always knew there would eventually come down to winners and losers, so are people going to continue to believe these batshit crazy theories that are perpetuated by certain individuals, or are they going to modify their thought processes? I do realise it's a big jump for people to realise that they have been lied to. How about you, will you still be wearing lardy's "Trump Russia Collusion Is Real" t-shirt that you got for Christmas? :biggrin:
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Wales-Bales
Thanks mate, much appreciated, but would it be too much to ask for a great awakening to take place among the political heavyweights on here? Opposite viewpoints are contintinually derided, and we always knew there would eventually come down to winners and losers, so are people going to continue to believe these batshit crazy theories that are perpetuated by certain individuals, or are they going to modify their thought processes? I do realise it's a big jump for people to realise that they have been lied to. How about you, will you still be wearing lardy's "Trump Russia Collusion Is Real" t-shirt that you got for Christmas? :biggrin:
If you trace my thoughts on the Russia trump thing I said all along I will wait to see what the investigation says so you’re spinning a tale if you think I said otherwise you mischievous scamp 😉👍I did say what Mueller said in that his report did not exonerate Trump as what Trump said.
But there we are case closed as they say.
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No one is strictly speaking ever exhonerated other than by a Court verdict. Police enquiries and the Mueller enquiry either find the evidence to prosecute or they don't, but in common parlance we often say that they've been exhonerated by this process.
Mueller is being as disingenuous therefore in answering that question in that way as those who asked it.
The whole enquiry was politically based and generated, and if they'd found any credible evidence they'd certainly have indicted or launched impeachment.
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RonnieBird
The whole enquiry was politically based and generated, and if they'd found any credible evidence they'd certainly have indicted or launched impeachment.
Are your two "they"s the same group?
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RonnieBird
No one is strictly speaking ever exhonerated other than by a Court verdict. Police enquiries and the Mueller enquiry either find the evidence to prosecute or they don't, but in common parlance we often say that they've been exhonerated by this process.
Mueller is being as disingenuous therefore in answering that question in that way as those who asked it.
The whole enquiry was politically based and generated, and if they'd found any credible evidence they'd certainly have indicted or launched impeachment.
The reason he worded it like that was to give some amunition to congress so that they could begin impeachment hearings in the run-up to the 2020 elections. They are desparate to get rid of Trump, because he can expose all of their malfeasance. Unfortunately, they have all been caught!
Is Fox News still a dirty word on here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4fPWMloqRQ
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Anyway, Trump's plan with Johnson is a big part of the de-Globalization process, and UK will be a gateway into and out of the EU market for the US. America also needs the UK as a strong partner in NATO, and on the Security Council, so we do have some bargaining power.
Furthermore, Germany are about to turn on the funny money printing presses, along with possible negative interest rates, so I think it is fair to say that Trump has got the EU and China in a bit of a pickle at the moment, with no more free lunches on the table.
Of course it's not great for the multinational corporations, but it will be good for the US and UK economies.
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RonnieBird
What a guy !
Communist China have a plan to be the preeminent superpower by 2050. It looks like president trump is the only person in the world who is prepared to stand up to them. For some reason nearly all of the posters on here want him to fail. Just let that sink in for a moment. You would think that bob and lardy were making billions of dollars from globalisation, just like the other wealthy elite players do, but the fact is this money is being taken from us as a country, and from America, and many other countries too.
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Wales-Bales
Communist China have a plan to be the preeminent superpower by 2050. It looks like president trump is the only person in the world who is prepared to stand up to them. For some reason nearly all of the posters on here want him to fail. Just let that sink in for a moment. You would think that bob and lardy were making billions of dollars from globalisation, just like the other wealthy elite players do, but the fact is this money is being taken from us as a country, and from America, and many other countries too.
The issues here are very clear to a rational mind, and it's not just China, but it's unimaginably rich Western globalist backers who would benefit from such developments - plans really. As you say, these kids are not only excluded from these benefits , but would suffer particularly from them, so obviously we must ask why they would be so enthusiastic about seeing their own liberties and incomes destroyed.
Well, as I've mentioned, that can only be because their conclusions and opinions have been given to them rather than arrived at on their own.
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RonnieBird
The issues here are very clear to a rational mind, and it's not just China, but it's unimaginably rich Western globalist backers who would benefit from such developments - plans really. As you say, these kids are not only excluded from these benefits , but would suffer particularly from them, so obviously we must ask why they would be so enthusiastic about seeing their own liberties and incomes destroyed.
Well, as I've mentioned, that can only be because their conclusions and opinions have been given to them rather than arrived at on their own.
I singled out China because they are a nation who have imperialist ambitions. Once they achieve the status of dominant Superpower, they will start exercising that power around the world (they already have in the South China Sea). I just feel a bit sad for bob and lardy, that they won't be around to witness the Chinese flag flying above Buckingham Palace, and every other public building. No doubt they will have a monument to commemorate the useless idiots though :wink: