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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
I'm going to have my dinner, and when I come back I hope to see some convincing arguments made, showing why opinions that you don't agree with have to be silenced.
Mate you don't have to explain that you're going to be away for a bit. It's an anonymous internet message board, you could disappear for a year and no one would care
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
I bet you are all for the spying on political opponents too, as long as it's not the one that you vote for. You see, when you start all of this shit, you can never stop.
So are we all still Communists for defending a private business?
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Freitag 4.17
In that case I'd review your observations a bit more rigorously if I were you as your promulgations don't reach any intellectual level whatsoever.
There is a wealth of historical knowledge regarding the shutting down free speech and spying on political opponents, etc.. If you believe so strongly in this type of behaviour, you should have no trouble defending it. Go on, give it your best shot.
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
Mate you don't have to explain that you're going to be away for a bit. It's an anonymous internet message board, you could disappear for a year and no one would care
It means you've got an hour to come up with something more substantial than the bollocks you have been talking so far :thumbup:
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
There is a wealth of historical knowledge regarding the shutting down free speech and spying on political opponents, etc.. If you believe so strongly in this type of behaviour, you should have no trouble defending it. Go on, give it your best shot.
I'm defending the right of a private business owner to exercise their free will to not stock a shit record by a shit person with a particularly nasty and shitty political affiliation.
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Freitag 4.17
I'm defending the right of a private business owner to exercise their free will to not stock a shit record by a shit person with a particularly nasty and shitty political affiliation.
Yes, I know you got the same memo as everybody else, and we all know that weaponising attacks on free speech is a marxist construct that is as old as the hills, so how about telling me why it is such a good thing and why I should be supporting it?
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Freitag 4.17
Pearl clutching, pojecting, conspiracy theorising, right leaning, jew fearing, hypocritical, 'free speech' enthusing, not right in the mind people such as your good self.
Spot on disingenuous is exactly right.
This is free speech being exercised on both sides.
The right of “free speech” is just that the government can’t arrest you for it, it’s got nothing to do with a private business stocking a record.
It also ignores the paradox of free speech. Should someone who wants to murder all white people be allowed to preach this on the streets. Is it true freedom if it makes the lives of others less free?
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Yes, I know you got the same memo as everybody else, and we all know that weaponising attacks on free speech is a marxist construct that is as old as the hills, so how about telling me why it is such a good thing and why I should be supporting it.
Jesus Christ :hehe:
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Jesus Christ :hehe:
I'm guessing you won't be able to go beyond the shop ownership arguement either, or the consequences of it being scaled up to the point that all businesses start operating as political activists.
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
I'm guessing you won't be able to go beyond the shop ownership arguement either, or the consequences of it being scaled up to the point that all businesses start operating as political activists.
But isn’t them doing that exercising their free speech?
Should record shops be forced to sell every record that’s produced?
Your last point is very straw man isn’t it?
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Yes, I know you got the same memo as everybody else, and we all know that weaponising attacks on free speech is a marxist construct that is as old as the hills, so how about telling me why it is such a good thing and why I should be supporting it?
"You cannot enjoy the advantages of a free press without putting up with its inconveniences. You cannot pluck the rose without its thorns!" —Karl Marx
That's about all he had to say about free speech, he was more for freedom of the people and raising up those in poverty to a position where their speech mattered.
What definition of Marxism is your intellect labouring under to come up with 'weaponised attacks' in the context of a private business owner choosing to not stock a record?
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
It doesn't matter. Your language gives you away every time :biggrin: Maybe spend more time on constructing a decent argument :thumbup:
Gives me away? Get over yourself man who gives a flying **** that a record shop stopped selling Morrissey records and comparing it to North Korea :hehe:
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Jesus Christ :hehe:
I'm not sure he understands what Communism/Marxism is
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
City123
I'm not sure he understands what Communism/Marxism is
He understands it as the propaganda he’s read on right wing conspiracy websites without realising he’s being taken in then tries to pass it off as faux intellectualism.
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Mrs Steve R
Suggesting that people are "not right in the mind" because they don't share your views is pretty low :thumbup:
Isn’t he saying people who follow fascist parties like Britain first and the people who defend them aren’t right in the head.
Must we treat all views equally even when they’re far right views?
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Isn’t he saying people who follow fascist parties like Britain first and the people who defend them aren’t right in the head.
Must we treat all views equally even when they’re far right views?
I'm very happy to stand by comment that I think the poster 'Wales-Blaes' is not right in the mind. I'm not mocking his disability, merely pointing out that he may have one.
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Mrs Steve R
Suggesting that people are "not right in the mind" because they don't share your views is pretty low :thumbup:
I'm not suggesting it because he doesn't share my views, I'm suggesting it because his views are consistently batshit mental.
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Isn’t he saying people who follow fascist parties like Britain first and the people who defend them aren’t right in the head.
Must we treat all views equally even when they’re far right views?
He's saying people have a right to express their opinions as long as they are not breaking the law.
Everybody else is saying that people with opinions different to their own need to be silenced.
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Freitag 4.17
I'm very happy to stand by comment that I think the poster 'Wales-Blaes' is not right in the mind. I'm not mocking his disability, merely pointing out that he may have one.
That's it move onto the insults, as you are clearly not capable of constructing an arguement that backs up your opinion that opposing views need to be silenced if you don't agree with them. There is a word for people like you :biggrin:
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
He understands it as the propaganda he’s read on right wing conspiracy websites without realising he’s being taken in then tries to pass it off as faux intellectualism.
Conspiracy AND right wing in the same sentence :yikes: :hehe:
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Isn’t he saying people who follow fascist parties like Britain first and the people who defend them aren’t right in the head.
Must we treat all views equally even when they’re far right views?
You obviously haven't grasped the concept of free speech :facepalm:
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
City123
I'm not sure he understands what Communism/Marxism is
That's where you would be very mistaken :biggrin:
BTW I am still waiting for someone to justify the silencing of voices they don't agree with ... come on, surely somebody has got it in them to put together a convincing argument?
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
You obviously haven't grasped the concept of free speech :facepalm:
And you don't understand that whilst you can have free speech, your speech will still have consequence.
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
That's where you would be very mistaken :biggrin:
BTW I am still waiting for somebody to justify the silencing of voices they don't agree with ...
"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal."
Karl Popper, Jewish philosopher who fled from Nazis in the 1930s
A nice justification of silencing voices you don't agree with for you.
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Re: so Spillers bans Morrissey
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
It means you've got an hour to come up with something more substantial than the bollocks you have been talking so far :thumbup:
You're making some hilariously incorrect assumptions about how much I care about your opinion of mine