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Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
Check out the comments :hehe:
"He's English born, raised in England by English parents... he's English. Just obviously has an inadequate grandfather who is so insecure he pushed representing Wales on him as it helps his own insecurities. Pathetic really.
International footballers should play for the country of their birth or that they were raised in - otherwise it's not international football it's a poor mans club football."
"Has anyone thought Woodburn may be looking at this and thinking "Mmmm if I represent Wails I'm going to get more time off in future summers instead of traveling to tournaments with England" Just a thought."
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
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delmbox
Check out the comments :hehe:
"He's English born, raised in England by English parents... he's English. Just obviously has an inadequate grandfather who is so insecure he pushed representing Wales on him as it helps his own insecurities. Pathetic really.
International footballers should play for the country of their birth or that they were raised in - otherwise it's not international football it's a poor mans club football."
"Has anyone thought Woodburn may be looking at this and thinking "Mmmm if I represent Wails I'm going to get more time off in future summers instead of traveling to tournaments with England" Just a thought."
I struggle to understand the mentality of a player playing for a country where only one grandfather was born, i mean neither he or both of his parents were born in Wales.
When i was a child i grew up wanting to represent my country, i used to pretend i was Ian Rush playing football.
I can accept that as a footballer you can feel part of the team, and being in the Welsh set-up for so long he feels part of it, but still im my opinion that couldn't effect my final decision.
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
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Originally Posted by
qccfc
I struggle to understand the mentality of a player playing for a country where only one grandfather was born, i mean neither he or both of his parents were born in Wales.
When i was a child i grew up wanting to represent my country, i used to pretend i was Ian Rush playing football.
I can accept that as a footballer you can feel part of the team, and being in the Welsh set-up for so long he feels part of it, but still im my opinion that couldn't effect my final decision.
I believe that his father is a keen Wales supporter so that will undoubtedly have had an influence on him growing up & his Liverpool squad number (58) would appear to give a big hint as to where loyalties well & truly lie.
Woodburn clearly feels Welsh & is happy in our system and I am really pleased that this is the case with one of the most exciting young talents in Britain. The attached article gives some background about how we treat our young players in Wales which is really good to see:
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/r...-teen-12749801
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
Wonder what our most notorious Welsh fan thinks about it. :hehe::hehe:
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qccfc
I struggle to understand the mentality of a player playing for a country where only one grandfather was born, i mean neither he or both of his parents were born in Wales.
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Clearly the lad's ambitious and wants to play for the nation with the higher FIFA ranking
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
Interesting article from This is Anfield which endorses Ben Woodburn playing for Wales as opposed to England. Also a few positive comments about Harry Wilson - I wonder if he could be a loan option for us next season or maybe Klopp has bigger plans for him?
http://www.thisisanfield.com/2017/03...wales-england/
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
It's getting to the point now, where the song will go:-----
Who put the ball in the Ingurlish net
Arfur, Arfur
Who put the ball in the Ingurlish net
Arfur f ucking Ingurlund :hehe::hehe:
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
Check out the comments :hehe:
"He's English born, raised in England by English parents... he's English. Just obviously has an inadequate grandfather who is so insecure he pushed representing Wales on him as it helps his own insecurities. Pathetic really.
International footballers should play for the country of their birth or that they were raised in - otherwise it's not international football it's a poor mans club football."
"Has anyone thought Woodburn may be looking at this and thinking "Mmmm if I represent Wails I'm going to get more time off in future summers instead of traveling to tournaments with England" Just a thought."
Dreadful language , I could never image a Welsh fan being so blinkered in view, if this happened in reverse .
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
Raheem Sterling - born in Jamaica , both parents Jamaican
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Toadstool
Raheem Sterling - born in Jamaica , both parents Jamaican
Moved here at 5, same sort of story as Robert Earnshaw. Its easier to understand that choice thought because they have spent all their formative years in the country, and its all they know.
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
If Woodburn feels closer to Wales than he does to England, who are we to say he can't play for Wales? (and vice versa)
I, for one, am delighted that he's picked Wales and I hope he can go on to fulfil his potential
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
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qccfc
Moved here at 5, same sort of story as Robert Earnshaw. Its easier to understand that choice thought because they have spent all their formative years in the country, and its all they know.
He's grown up a few miles from the border, and may feel Welsh. Woodburn could probably have chosen to play for England or Wales and he's chosen us. It's entirely his call and I don't think anyone would hold it against him if he was in two minds and wanted to wait. He's a young lad and I wish him all the very best!
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Pedro de la Rosa
He's grown up a few miles from the border, and may feel Welsh. Woodburn could probably have chosen to play for England or Wales and he's chosen us. It's entirely his call and I don't think anyone would hold it against him if he was in two minds and wanted to wait. He's a young lad and I wish him all the very best!
Yes i accept that there might be a discrepancy in the border towns where people may be living as Welsh, but may have to be born in English hospitals.
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qccfc
Yes i accept that there might be a discrepancy in the border towns where people may be living as Welsh, but may have to be born in English hospitals.
Ya, then the cheeky barstewards come back over the border for their free prescriptions. :hehe::hehe:
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If he qualifies for Wales and England, and both countries want him, then if he choose Wales that's his decision. He's turned down a chance to play for England already, and he hasn't been a ball boy for them either:biggrin:
It's when players aren't good enough for their own country, (and go looking for a dodgy grandparents birth certificate) and play for a 'second choice' country to satisfy their ego, then it's a problem.:wales:
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
for me, he has been with the Welsh setup right from the start, he feels Welsh, good on him
i have no issues with it, he has always set out to play for Wales
good enough for me :thumbup:
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
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City123
If Woodburn feels closer to Wales than he does to England, who are we to say he can't play for Wales? (and vice versa)
I, for one, am delighted that he's picked Wales and I hope he can go on to fulfil his potential
Spot on :thumbup:
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
And here's Ingurland's new striker..
http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...huania-matches
:hehe:
Dont get me wrong, I like the guy, and he will more than likely do a job for them in the short term, but you can see why the Ingurlish are slapping their gums on this one as there doesn't seem to be much back up to Kane in the way of youngsters and is a short term fix.
By the way, I believe JD's parents are West Indian but I guess he "feels" English so fair enough.
Ditto Woodburn who has as much right to choose us.
Good on you son and may this be the shape of things to come :thumbup:
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
In addition to where the player was born and brought up I always consider where they played youth football. For example, not so long ago, there was a Middlesborough full-back who played youth football for Wales all the way up until the senior side at which point he decided he was more Australian.
In the age of the internet you will always find bitter fans.
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
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BLUETIT
Wonder what our most notorious Welsh fan thinks about it. :hehe::hehe:
I've got my jelly babies at the ready
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
England supporters can hardly complain. Just to look at the English cricket and rugby national teams. It seems young Ben has been influenced by his father. Great to have him on board.
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Pearcey3
I've got my jelly babies at the ready
If you're talking about Grangetown Blue, he's already commented and it turns out he's fine with it.
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G rangetown Blue
If he qualifies for Wales and England, and both countries want him, then if he choose Wales that's his decision. He's turned down a chance to play for England already, and he hasn't been a ball boy for them either:biggrin:
It's when players aren't good enough for their own country, (and go looking for a dodgy grandparents birth certificate) and play for a 'second choice' country to satisfy their ego, then it's a problem.:wales:
Have you seen England's centre backs over the past few years? Wiliams would have won plenty of caps had he decided to play for England.
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
Let the England fans bleat bless 'em but this international football today.
20 of the 24 teams in The Euros had players born outside the country they were representing.
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This suggests calling him up may not be sufficient to commit him to Wales. We'll need to get him on to seal it.
FIFA Eligibility Criteria. Article 5. Principle
With the exception of the conditions specified in article 8 below, any Player who has already participated in a match (either in full or in part) in an Official Competition of any category or any type of football for one Association may not play an international match for a representative team of another Association.
:sherlock:
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
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qccfc
Yes i accept that there might be a discrepancy in the border towns where people may be living as Welsh, but may have to be born in English hospitals.
This is exactly what happened with Michael Owen whose family were living (and still live) in Wales (Hawarden), yet the nearest maternity hospital was Chester.
Woodburn clearly feels Welsh up to this point, including his shirt number as another poster has written, but he may still yet withdraw if he's had his head turned by his agent etc.
I trust him to make the right decision (Wales!!) and give something back to the international system which has brought him through to this stage. He clearly has enjoyed being in the Welsh set up, and the Euros could have been a big nudge for him, and others yet to become apparent.
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Arfur Europe
This is exactly what happened with Michael Owen whose family were living (and still live) in Wales (Hawarden), yet the nearest maternity hospital was Chester.
Woodburn clearly feels Welsh up to this point, including his shirt number as another poster has written, but he may still yet withdraw if he's had his head turned by his agent etc.
I trust him to make the right decision (Wales!!) and give something back to the international system which has brought him through to this stage. He clearly has enjoyed being in the Welsh set up, and the Euros could have been a big nudge for him, and others yet to become apparent.
I think it's important to note how playing alongside Bale (arguably the greatest welsh player of all time) will be a factor in the decision. He makes it a very attractive proposition.
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Baloo
This suggests calling him up may not be sufficient to commit him to Wales. We'll need to get him on to seal it.
FIFA Eligibility Criteria. Article 5. Principle
With the exception of the conditions specified in article 8 below, any Player who has already participated in a match (either in full or in part) in an Official Competition of any category or any type of football for one Association may not play an international match for a representative team of another Association.
:sherlock:
He has to be on the pitch if only for ten seconds to become ineligible to play for anyone else.Coleman just needs to bring him at the death.
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
Essentially Woodburn has decided to become a national hero rather than someone who's hated and abused by his own fans and press *cough* England *cough*
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City123
Essentially Woodburn has decided to become a national hero rather than someone who's hated and abused by his own fans and press *cough* England *cough*
Spot on.
Look at the difference last summer.
One team who were united with no egos (despite having the worlds most expensive player) and looked like they were having the time of their lives, roared on by fantastic support and a nation back home savouring every minute which ultimately resulted in exceeding all expectations.
The other team full of overrated selfish shithouses littered with players that only got in the team on reputation (despite that reputation being built on achieving feck all) looking like they didn't really want to be there, jeered by their arrogant fans who think they have a divine right to walk over 'lesser' teams, ultimately resulting in yet another humiliating early exit - this time by a team of fishermen with beards.
Anyone with half a brain can see that Wales is the logical choice for a young man who wants to enjoy playing for his country.
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Wasn't born in Wales, Welshmen for Wales., he would be denying a place of a true Welshman. NO THANKS
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Nelsonca61
Wasn't born in Wales, Welshmen for Wales., he would be denying a place of a true Welshman. NO THANKS
I doubt you'll be saying this if he scores us the winner against Ireland....
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City123
I doubt you'll be saying this if he scores us the winner against Ireland....
I'll be delighted if he plays and scores :thumbup: :hehe:
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
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Originally Posted by
Nelsonca61
Wasn't born in Wales, Welshmen for Wales., he would be denying a place of a true Welshman. NO THANKS
:hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:
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City123
I doubt you'll be saying this if he scores us the winner against Ireland....
Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh :hehe:
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
Maybe he watched England in the last 4 or 5 tournaments they made it too, total humiliation and shambles. Look at the Iceland game last June!!! 11 nervous breakdowns wasn't it? Lol
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
It's getting to the point now, where the song will go:-----
Who put the ball in the Ingurlish net
Arfur, Arfur
Who put the ball in the Ingurlish net
Arfur f ucking Ingurlund :hehe::hehe:
:hehe:
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tommy31
I think it's important to note how playing alongside Bale (arguably the greatest welsh player of all time) will be a factor in the decision. He makes it a very attractive proposition.
Greatest British export ever probably
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
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Originally Posted by
City123
If Woodburn feels closer to Wales than he does to England, who are we to say he can't play for Wales? (and vice versa)
I, for one, am delighted that he's picked Wales and I hope he can go on to fulfil his potential
:thumbup:
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gareth bale do me a favour :hehe:, he aint in the same bracket or league as john charles was and he was doing it sixty years ago , before footballers were wrapped in cotton wool and paid millions like they are today .
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Re: Lots of bitter England fans peeved about Woodburn's call up
Funny that, cos Ashley Williams would walk into the England side, but chose us