Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
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Originally Posted by splott parker wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 18:10
In their prime i'd say Ali was undoubtably the greatest all 'round boxer of the two, but as a spectacle I would rather watch Tyson, albeit for the few rounds his opponent could stay on his feet.
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Originally Posted by Under the Splott-light wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 18:05
Pete watch Ali/Clay's fights from the 60s and indeed the Foreman and Frazier battles of the 70s, as boxing spectacles they are on a different planet to Tyson's wham bam thank you mam fights.
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Originally Posted by splott parker wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 17:58
Oh I have Steve, i've watched a lot of boxing over the years, over all weight categories, I also boxed for a few years as a schoolboy, I had to earn this face.
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Originally Posted by Under the Splott-light wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 17:45
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Originally Posted by splott parker wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 17:31
Only a fool would dispute Ali and his all 'round boxing abilities, the guy was clearly the greatest 'boxer' of all time, he was intelligent, efficient and entertaining, but as a kid, well early teen by time Mike Tyson started to take opponents out in a couple of rounds he had an impression on me, he was no boxer, he wasn't very intelligent, he had no plan B, not even sure he had a plan A either, but he was exciting to watch, for me at least, he remains the greatest boxer, for sheer entertainment, of my generation.
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Originally Posted by Under the Splott-light wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 16:22
Not sure i'd feel the same about him if i'd shelled out a few hundred dollars to watch a 2 round bout at Caesars Palace though.
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Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
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Originally Posted by TH63 wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 00:27
Tyson was an animal.
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Originally Posted by Cardiff Bread wrote on Wed, 31 December 2014 23:55
This. And this is why he would have beasted Ali.
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Originally Posted by THE DON wrote on Wed, 31 December 2014 18:57
I doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali who would've seen him coming a mile off.
Tyson would have beaten ali without a doubt http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
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Originally Posted by Harry Flashman wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 06:49
Rocky Marciano.
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Originally Posted by ZZ Jack wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 00:16
Had a well documented one punch fight with an Australian service man in The Adelphi pub in Wind Street.
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Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
Tyson ruled by fear in his early years, think a lot of the fighters he fought were beat before they got into the ring. Marvis Frazier being a fine example. Ali on the other hand, wouldn't have had any of Tysons bully boy tactics and would have got right into Tysons head during the fight build up. I think Ali would have done him by the 6th. Someone said that Tyson would have had a punchers chance, but Ali was incredibly durable and had a tough chin, he even went the distance with Norton with a broken jaw.
I think Ali was the greatest, but for me his fights with Liston were very suspect, as it was a well known fact that Liston was controlled by the mob. The knockout delivered to Ali,in I think the first fight, looked very soft for a giant like Liston to get knocked out by. Don't think we'll ever know though, as Liston was killed in mysterious circumstances a few years later.
Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
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Originally Posted by stan butler wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 21:28
Tyson was an animal.
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Originally Posted by TH63 wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 00:27
This. And this is why he would have beasted Ali.
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Originally Posted by Cardiff Bread wrote on Wed, 31 December 2014 23:55
I doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali who would've seen him coming a mile off.
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Originally Posted by THE DON wrote on Wed, 31 December 2014 18:57
The same ali that cooper belted about?
Hmmm. You forget to mention that Ali went on to beat Cooper.
Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
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Originally Posted by Pearcey wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 22:44
Tyson was an animal.
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Originally Posted by stan butler wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 21:28
This. And this is why he would have beasted Ali.
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Originally Posted by TH63 wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 00:27
I doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali who would've seen him coming a mile off.
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Originally Posted by Cardiff Bread wrote on Wed, 31 December 2014 23:55
The same ali that cooper belted about?
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Originally Posted by THE DON wrote on Wed, 31 December 2014 18:57
He was specifically referring to the "doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali" comment though.
Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 22:51
Tyson was an animal.
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Originally Posted by Pearcey wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 22:44
This. And this is why he would have beasted Ali.
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Originally Posted by stan butler wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 21:28
I doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali who would've seen him coming a mile off.
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Originally Posted by TH63 wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 00:27
The same ali that cooper belted about?
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Originally Posted by Cardiff Bread wrote on Wed, 31 December 2014 23:55
Shurrup mush.
Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
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Originally Posted by Pearcey wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 22:53
Tyson was an animal.
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 22:51
This. And this is why he would have beasted Ali.
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Originally Posted by Pearcey wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 22:44
I doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali who would've seen him coming a mile off.
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Originally Posted by stan butler wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 21:28
The same ali that cooper belted about?
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Originally Posted by TH63 wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 00:27
Tyson would have beaten ali without a doubt
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Originally Posted by Cardiff Bread wrote on Wed, 31 December 2014 23:55
Hmmm. You forget to mention that Ali went on to beat Cooper.
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Originally Posted by THE DON wrote on Wed, 31 December 2014 18:57
He was specifically referring to the "doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali" comment though.
Oh sorry. Clearly what I meant to say was Ali was a shape-shifting tiger cloud and no person in history has ever managed to occupy the same room as him, nevermind punch him in the face.
Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
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Originally Posted by stan butler wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 21:28
Tyson was an animal.
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Originally Posted by TH63 wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 00:27
This. And this is why he would have beasted Ali.
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Originally Posted by Cardiff Bread wrote on Wed, 31 December 2014 23:55
I doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali who would've seen him coming a mile off.
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Originally Posted by THE DON wrote on Wed, 31 December 2014 18:57
The same ali that cooper belted about?
yes, you forget to mention that after cooper knocked ali down. ali came out and took him apart. cooper could not lay a glove on him after that, and the fight was stopped to stop cooper from receiving further punishment. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 22:58
Tyson was an animal.
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Originally Posted by Pearcey wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 22:53
This. And this is why he would have beasted Ali.
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 22:51
I doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali who would've seen him coming a mile off.
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Originally Posted by Pearcey wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 22:44
The same ali that cooper belted about?
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Originally Posted by stan butler wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 21:28
Tyson would have beaten ali without a doubt
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Originally Posted by TH63 wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 00:27
Hmmm. You forget to mention that Ali went on to beat Cooper.
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Originally Posted by Cardiff Bread wrote on Wed, 31 December 2014 23:55
He was specifically referring to the "doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali" comment though.
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Originally Posted by THE DON wrote on Wed, 31 December 2014 18:57
Shurrup mush.
Now you're talking sense Colonel.
Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
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Originally Posted by Pearcey wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 23:07
Tyson was an animal.
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 22:58
This. And this is why he would have beasted Ali.
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Originally Posted by Pearcey wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 22:53
I doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali who would've seen him coming a mile off.
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 22:51
The same ali that cooper belted about?
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Originally Posted by Pearcey wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 22:44
Tyson would have beaten ali without a doubt
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Originally Posted by stan butler wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 21:28
Hmmm. You forget to mention that Ali went on to beat Cooper.
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Originally Posted by TH63 wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 00:27
He was specifically referring to the "doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali" comment though.
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Originally Posted by Cardiff Bread wrote on Wed, 31 December 2014 23:55
Shurrup mush.
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Originally Posted by THE DON wrote on Wed, 31 December 2014 18:57
Oh sorry. Clearly what I meant to say was Ali was a shape-shifting tiger cloud and no person in history has ever managed to occupy the same room as him, nevermind punch him in the face.
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Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 23:09
Tyson was an animal.
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Originally Posted by Pearcey wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 23:07
This. And this is why he would have beasted Ali.
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 22:58
I doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali who would've seen him coming a mile off.
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Originally Posted by Pearcey wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 22:53
The same ali that cooper belted about?
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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 22:51
Tyson would have beaten ali without a doubt
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Originally Posted by Pearcey wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 22:44
Hmmm. You forget to mention that Ali went on to beat Cooper.
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Originally Posted by stan butler wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 21:28
He was specifically referring to the "doubt he'd have laid a glove on Ali" comment though.
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Originally Posted by TH63 wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 00:27
Shurrup mush.
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Originally Posted by Cardiff Bread wrote on Wed, 31 December 2014 23:55
Oh sorry. Clearly what I meant to say was Ali was a shape-shifting tiger cloud and no person in history has ever managed to occupy the same room as him, nevermind punch him in the face.
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Originally Posted by THE DON wrote on Wed, 31 December 2014 18:57
Now you're talking sense Colonel.
I think you are finally getting a handle on Ali's extraordinary ability.Its taken a while and you have been a little on the slow side but eventually you got there. I am proud of you Colonel C.Please consider yourself to be exonerated(until the next time)
Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
This is all well and good but what is best...
Messi on an Xbox One game or Ronaldo on a PS4 version.
Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
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Originally Posted by Harry Flashman wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 23:25
This is all well and good but what is best...
Ali on PS2
Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
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Originally Posted by Pearcey wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 23:27
This is all well and good but what is best...
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Originally Posted by Harry Flashman wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 23:25
Messi on an Xbox One game or Ronaldo on a PS4 version.
Commonly referred to as a 'Claystation 2'.
Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
I think a lot of people get caught up in the Tyson wave because at the time he/it was a whirlwind, when you reflect on it there are many, many heavyweights who had superior careers to the unquestonably excellent Tyson
Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
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Originally Posted by Under the Splott-light wrote on Fri, 02 January 2015 00:25
This is all well and good but what is best...
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Originally Posted by Pearcey wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 23:27
Messi on an Xbox One game or Ronaldo on a PS4 version.
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Originally Posted by Harry Flashman wrote on Thu, 01 January 2015 23:25
Ali on PS2
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Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
Quite a few here have talked about Ali doing 'rope a dope' and letting Tyson tire himself out but I suspect their boxing knowledge is 'tainted' by that particular Ali fight.
That was NOT Ali in his prime. I'm not being patronising but younger people will have seen all the 'legendary' clips of Ali and most do not concentrate on him in his prime. Totally fearless because of confidence in his own ability, the PRIMETIME Ali was so much better than people can imagine.
He was as fast as Sugar Ray Leonard FFS - that's ridiculous hand speed for a heavyweight and that speed generated some real punching power. Like Calzaghe (who lost knockout power due to injury) Ali was so fast that every punch had percussive quality, just didn't look as spectacular sometimes.
Tyson had a dodgy chin too, and there is no way he could attack Ali and protect that chin at the same time.
Trust me pop-pickers, Ali was much better than many people imagine, and he is rated the Greatest anyway.
Rope a dope? Nah, Ali would never have sat back and let Tyson get at him, and to be fair Tyson throws so many unconventional shots from outrageous angles that I think he would have got past.
Ali would have been at his supreme best, moving, jabbing and chopping Tyson up.
No disrespect to Tyson, but Ali was on another level, and that's no disgrace with even Tyson happy to admit it.
Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
What did Ali ever do to Colonel? http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
I think Tyson would land hardly anything on Ali and would just get picked off each time he launches a haymaker.
Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 02 January 2015 10:21
Quite a few here have talked about Ali doing 'rope a dope' and letting Tyson tire himself out but I suspect their boxing knowledge is 'tainted' by that particular Ali fight.
^^^ this, tydfil white made this mistake, no rope a dope tactics from ali pre 67, "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee, i,m the greatest mohammed Ali"
Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
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Originally Posted by packerman wrote on Fri, 02 January 2015 11:16
Quite a few here have talked about Ali doing 'rope a dope' and letting Tyson tire himself out but I suspect their boxing knowledge is 'tainted' by that particular Ali fight.
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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 02 January 2015 10:21
That was NOT Ali in his prime. I'm not being patronising but younger people will have seen all the 'legendary' clips of Ali and most do not concentrate on him in his prime. Totally fearless because of confidence in his own ability, the PRIMETIME Ali was so much better than people can imagine.
tyson was not the most intelligent of fighters, and ali would have been simply too quick and skilful for tyson. he would have got frustrated and tired very quickly. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 02 January 2015 10:21
Quite a few here have talked about Ali doing 'rope a dope' and letting Tyson tire himself out but I suspect their boxing knowledge is 'tainted' by that particular Ali fight.
Yep. For a heavyweight the Ali of the 60s was incredibly quick in mind,hands and feet. Utterly exceptional. As he slowed down in the 1970s he would use the ropes to great effect. He didn't need to in his younger days.
Re: Ali vs Tyson in their prime
I find his pre match catch phases do my head in a bit, but I had no idea that he could play boxing or even rope a dope.
I still reckon Tyson would deck him tho, even if he did his own ring introduction and whipped up the crowd with a bit of men of Harlech.