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Angela Merkel should become the president of the European Commission
She has the weight, the authority, the proven government record, international reputation and status, and more political experience and skills than all of today’s European politicians put together
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8520301.html
She's been doing that by proxy for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
We are getting out at the right time. Was only a question of when they would try to take over Europe again.
It will be at best BINO (Brexit in name only) as the vast majority of the political class oppose an EU exit.
What you mean again , it was always in control after the war when all the occupiers funded its regeneration,we may have win a war , but we paid financially for it , and Germany has prospered since .Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
Our current one is half German so little difference, really.
East or West?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Lady Ga Ga is up for it as well
Um, have you seen the increase in prosperity in the UK since joining Europe? We were a poor relation at the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Yes its been mentioned a number of times and not all businesses are wanting to stay in , perhaps we could see this become a great decision in years to come, were entering the great unknown . I wonder deep down if Europe worries we would slash business taxes ,provide better grants , reduce bureaucracy to attract and entice away for Europe,we have always traded and had huge influence across the globe ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
China and India have done OK outside of the EU during the same time period, in fact, they have outperformed us so you could argue that being inside the EU is holding us back!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
You could argue that if you were a complete idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Well sorry to disappoint, but the EU isn't the be all and end all, our standards have been declining for a number of years. I say it's time to join a new club, and forget about the failing socialist utopian experiment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
The right of the tory party think that this is the way Britain will be successful, as they are fanatical about having a small state and letting markets operate free from influence.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
When the likes of Rees-Mogg promised prosperity after Brexit, they didn't mention that they saw that coming about through a more extreme version of thatcherism. I wonder how many of the leave voters in workig class areas realised that this was the vision they were voting for, as historically they don't do so well under that ideology.
Are you trying to say that your statement that China and India have seen bigger growth trhan the UK because the UK has been in the EU isn't a completely idiotic statement?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Now that you mention it, free trade does seem to be the best way forward!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
In what way does it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
More trade, more business, more money for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Yes the irony of Brexit ,Labour voters pitching in with right wing agenda's , priceless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Obviously the Tories won't be in power forever, they can be voted out, unlike the other lot in Brussels.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
A no deal brexit, followed by a dismantling of the state, selling off of the NHS etc isn't all reversible a couple of years laterQuote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
So you reckon the Tories have a cunning plan to turn us into North Korea, and the people of Britain are going to go along with it? Fooking 'ell mate, this is your best one yet :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Not sure where you're getting that from. The tories have a plan for a more severe form of thatcherism or free marketism. North Korea is about as far from that as it is possible to get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Are you for real?
They really would have to dismantle the state to get away with that, and then annoint a supreme leader in it's place, a British version of Kim Jong Un ... Boris Wrong Un perhaps? :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
by dismantle the state I meant reduce the size and scope of the things that are run by government. Privatisation, less market intervention that sort of thing, basically side 1 track 1 of Rees moggs post brexit playlist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Somehow you've interpreted that as meaning that I think they are going to install a dictator?
Only with the support of the electrate. If you add together all the remainers and the brexiteers who like the NHS, they don't stand a chance. Now please stop trying to frighten everybody with your hypothetical doom and gloom. It took Trump 5 minutes to get rid of Obamacare, and it will take the Democrats 5 minutes to bring it back if they ever get into power again. Political parties present their manifestos, we vote, civil servants implement our wishes. That's how it works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk