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Interesting article on Joe Ralls here
https://www.premierleague.com/news/863587
Shows how important he is to us and why he’s underrated by so many.
Defensively our best midfielder and one of the best English ones in the league.
Let down by his possession stats, although he does make a lot of key passes and again attack wise our top performer.
I think his possession stats suffer from a lack of options and also that he tries to make things happen quickly. It would look better for him if he took the easy option more often, but that’s not our playing style.
He’s still only 24 and has played 150 games for us.
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Interesting. :thumbup:
I wonder what he'd be like with a bit more quality around him.
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My record with predictions isn't great, but here's one - whatever happens to City, Joe Ralls won't be playing Championship football next season.
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He shows his quality when he's not in the side. Our midfield looked wide open without him last season. I agree with Bob, we'll be very lucky to keep him if we go down.
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I like Ralls but I often wonder if I’m watching the same player as some
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jamieccfc
I like Ralls but I often wonder if I’m watching the same player as some
Same here.
I find Arter and Camarasa both a level above Ralls.
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The Bob Banker Spanker
Same here.
I find Arter and Camarasa both a level above Ralls.
Agree, his distribution is poor, too many passes go astray and he rarely opens up a defence with a pass. I'd be amazed if he became a premier league regular with anyone else.
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the other bob wilson
My record with predictions isn't great, but here's one - whatever happens to City, Joe Ralls won't be playing Championship football next season.
He's nowhere near as good as folk make out. Completely one-footed, poor control, no pace, can't shoot, but yes, he does get stuck in...
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He's nowhere near as good as folk make out. Completely one-footed, poor control, no pace, can't shoot, but yes, he does get stuck in...
He also has an original surname.
My only regret is that it is not double-barreled.
Ralls-Festercock.... now that's a surnname. sign him up.
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They say it's all about opinions, but I just don't understand some expressed in this thread.
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the other bob wilson
They say it's all about opinions, but I just don't understand some expressed in this thread.
Me too. The stats back him up, every manager backs him up.
People wonder how we got so close to the play offs under Slade.
That was because 2 totally underrated players were outstanding.
Same 2 were the ones we missed when injured last year.
No prizes for guessing who they were.
Football is played as much without the ball as it is with it.
If Ralls dyed his hair purple then people would see how much he does and he’d be appreciated more.
It’s not like we’ve had anyone better than him in the middle, Ramsey apart, since Kavenagh or maybe Scimeca.
Lots have had either a great engine or have been good passers, but I’m struggling to think of another midfielder who had it all like Ralls does.
And if you are judging him on last week, then get real, Man City can buy whoever they want. They are the best players, with the best manager in th country. Light years away from us.
In every other game this season Ralls has done well.
Don’t believe me ?
Have a look at youscored.com which analyses every players performance.
Ralls was on 7 before Man City which is very very good playing for a struggling side and last season his stats were superb
Without him last year we were poor. When he played alongside Grujik at times we totally dominated, especially when Grijic settled in.
I like Arter and Camerasa, but I’d still pick Ralls before either. I reckon most managers would too.
Warnock alluded to it, Ralls would be in the Prem this season, with or without us
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Joe Gillis
Agree, his distribution is poor, too many passes go astray and he rarely opens up a defence with a pass. I'd be amazed if he became a premier league regular with anyone else.
Yet he’s our top player for key passes and a week or so before the top English player in the Prem on the same stat :sherlock:
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Better than Mcphail and Whitts? I don’t think so.
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J R Hartley
Better than Mcphail and Whitts? I don’t think so.
You wouldn’t, but all you care about is the pretty side. Without the likes of Ralls those 2 wouldn’t get a touch.
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Lawnmower
You wouldn’t, but all you care about is the pretty side. Without the likes of Ralls those 2 wouldn’t get a touch.
Behave
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Joe Gillis
Agree, his distribution is poor, too many passes go astray and he rarely opens up a defence with a pass. I'd be amazed if he became a premier league regular with anyone else.
Agreed.
You can’t squander possession like he does in this division.
Falls into the category of good championship player, not good enough for the PL for me.
His defensive stats are bound to look good seeing as we spend most of our time defending.
Like the last time we were here Marshall had great stats. Didn’t make him the best goalkeeper, just he was the busiest!!
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J R Hartley
Agreed.
You can’t squander possession like he does in this division.
Falls into the category of good championship player, not good enough for the PL for me.
His defensive stats are bound to look good seeing as we spend most of our time defending.
Like the last time we were here Marshall had great stats. Didn’t make him the best goalkeeper, just he was the busiest!!
Having seen every minute of every game so far I would agree with the stats that he’s only had 1 poor game and that was Man City.
Who do you pass to when no one wants the ball ??
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Lawnmower
Having seen every minute of every game so far I would agree with the stats that he’s only had 1 poor game and that was Man City.
Who do you pass to when no one wants the ball ??
Come on Tim, stop being silly. His squandering possession is down to him not others. It’s not like he’s come up from the championship with great possession stats, he gave the ball away plenty last year too.
It’s the weak part of his game and blaming others saying no one wants the ball is just daft.
His short passing isn’t bad but his mid to long passing isn’t the best.
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J R Hartley
Come on Tim, stop being silly. His squandering possession is down to him not others. It’s not like he’s come up from the championship with great possession stats, he gave the ball away plenty last year too.
It’s the weak part of his game and blaming others saying no one wants the ball is just daft.
His short passing isn’t bad but his mid to long passing isn’t the best.
Not saying his passing is good, but you aren’t stupid, you need to have a target for your passes.
Last week he was surrounded by 4 Man City players with absolutely no support from his team mates. He lost the ball. Same happened to Hoillet.
What could they do ?
His passing stats would also be much better if he played loads of aimless passes around with his keeper and back 4. However that’s not our game, he tries to make things happen and like Ramsey( I’ve seen similar criticism of him from Wales fans) it affects his passing stats . Anyone analysing him needs to take this into account
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You said yourself you can’t judge on the Man City game. I’m pretty sure his poor passing stats wouldn’t be all down to that 1 game.
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the other bob wilson
My record with predictions isn't great, but here's one - whatever happens to City, Joe Ralls won't be playing Championship football next season.
Shoe in for one of the top six next season.
Actually I agree with you. More likely to be Divvy 1.
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I'm sorry but you watch Arter and he's constantly moving around looking for the ball, when Ralls is up against another decent midfielder he struggles imo. Was that you Tim on twitter telling me he's better than Neves?
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jamieccfc
I'm sorry but you watch Arter and he's constantly moving around looking for the ball, when Ralls is up against another decent midfielder he struggles imo. Was that you Tim on twitter telling me he's better than Neves?
No idea.
As I have no idea who you are 🙂
They aren’t really directly comparable Attacking wise its no contest, but I’m sure Ralls is better defensively and that’s just as important especially for a side like us who have very little of the ball.
Artur was excellent against Newcastle, but hasn’t done a lot since.
I’d say Ralls has performed better than him in recent weeks although in fairness to Artur he was dealt a crap hand being pushed out wide against ManCity and was ill during the Chelsea game
He does shout a lot mind.
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Lawnmower
No idea.
As I have no idea who you are
They aren’t really directly comparable Attacking wise its no contest, but I’m sure Ralls is better defensively and that’s just as important especially for a side like us who have very little of the ball.
Artur was excellent against Newcastle, but hasn’t done a lot since.
I’d say Ralls has performed better than him in recent weeks although in fairness to Artur he was dealt a crap hand being pushed out wide against ManCity and was ill during the Chelsea game
He does shout a lot mind.
I think stats are clouding to many people's judgement of players these days, I like Ralls he has a good engine but that's it I don't think he has any great technical ability or any speed of thought
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Lawnmower
No idea.
As I have no idea who you are 🙂
They aren’t really directly comparable Attacking wise its no contest, but I’m sure Ralls is better defensively and that’s just as important especially for a side like us who have very little of the ball.
Artur was excellent against Newcastle, but hasn’t done a lot since.
I’d say Ralls has performed better than him in recent weeks although in fairness to Artur he was dealt a crap hand being pushed out wide against ManCity and was ill during the Chelsea game
He does shout a lot mind.
Neves has played defensive midfield plenty of times though? He basically is a deep lying defensive midfielder, have you not watched him?
I mean come on now there’s being biased and there’s being biased. I’m not saying Ralls is a bad player but comparing him to Neves in any aspect of his game is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen.
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Ralls is a decent Championship midfielder. If we go down, I couldn't think of any Premier League side that would be in a race for his signature.
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Better than Neves? Jesus Christ.
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I though Arter was decent against Arsenal apart from that chance he should have buried.
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Croesy Blue
Neves has played defensive midfield plenty of times though? He basically is a deep lying defensive midfielder, have you not watched him?
I mean come on now there’s being biased and there’s being biased. I’m not saying Ralls is a bad player but comparing him to Neves in any aspect of his game is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen.
Oh so that’s it then.
Let’s go with your subjective judgement after watching him once, maybe twice last year ? Or do you have a Wolves season ticket you’ve not been telling us about.
Or perhaps compare the facts over a full season both playing for similarly successful sides
Ralls v Neves
Goals 7-6
Assists 4-1
Yellows 8-11
Reds 0-1
Key Passes 1.9-2.0
Average Rating 7.29- 7.22
Ariels 1.9-0.9
Pass % 66.9-84.9
Tackles 2.4-2.3
Interceptions 1.3-1.7
Clearances 1.4-1.2
Apart from the pass % I reckon Ralls does well on the rest and prior to Warnock arriving that was around 80% as well... although that didn’t work out well. Defensively he scores higher on 3 of the 4 key measures
As I said... underrated even by our own fans.
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Lawnmower
Oh so that’s it then.
Let’s go with your subjective judgement after watching him once, maybe twice last year ? Or do you have a Wolves season ticket you’ve not been telling us about.
Or perhaps compare the facts over a full season both playing for similarly successful sides
Ralls v Neves
Goals 7-6
Assists 4-1
Yellows 8-11
Reds 0-1
Key Passes 1.9-2.0
Average Rating 7.29- 7.22
Ariels 1.9-0.9
Pass % 66.9-84.9
Tackles 2.4-2.3
Interceptions 1.3-1.7
Clearances 1.4-1.2
Apart from the pass % I reckon Ralls does well on the rest and prior to Warnock arriving that was around 80% as well... although that didn’t work out well. Defensively he scores higher on 3 of the 4 key measures
As I said... underrated even by our own fans.
You can manipulate stats to tell what you want I've seen him on telly a few times and he's clearly far better than Ralls
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Lawnmower
Oh so that’s it then.
Let’s go with your subjective judgement after watching him once, maybe twice last year ? Or do you have a Wolves season ticket you’ve not been telling us about.
Or perhaps compare the facts over a full season both playing for similarly successful sides
Ralls v Neves
Goals 7-6
Assists 4-1
Yellows 8-11
Reds 0-1
Key Passes 1.9-2.0
Average Rating 7.29- 7.22
Ariels 1.9-0.9
Pass % 66.9-84.9
Tackles 2.4-2.3
Interceptions 1.3-1.7
Clearances 1.4-1.2
Apart from the pass % I reckon Ralls does well on the rest and prior to Warnock arriving that was around 80% as well... although that didn’t work out well. Defensively he scores higher on 3 of the 4 key measures
As I said... underrated even by our own fans.
I’ve seen him play way more than 2 times a season though. And it isn’t just my opinion on him listen to any podcast or read any article on him and he’s always been thought of as one of the next big things.
I’ve seen him and ralls more than enough to make a judgement too, one will play in the champions league and one will play in the championship.
I think ralls is a good player but I’m not blinded by enough by loyalty to compare them.
Also if you want to bring statistics into it look at that passing stat, they’re midfielders.
If I can’t jdge neves how can you? You didn’t even know he was a defensive midfielder!
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Thé main reason I never want to talk about football is because of how biased people are. You can think someone is good without him playing for your side.
And just because a player plays for your side you don’t have to think he’s better than any other midfielder.
I bet you were laughing at the wolves ramsey thread too now you’re tarring us with the brush or ralls being better than neves!
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jamieccfc
You can manipulate stats to tell what you want I've seen him on telly a few times and he's clearly far better than Ralls
😂😂
Firstly I’m not manipulating stats.
I’m quoting direct stats some of which are favourable some aren’t.
I’ve already said that Neves is probably better attack wise, but Ralls probably better defensively. So it’s not like I’m making an outrageous statement here.
These stats are based on a whole season- how the **** is that manipulative?
Second, you’ve seen him on TV a few times.. if you think that over rides a whole season’s worth of data , which you seem quite happy to ignore...then I’ll leave you to your subjective judgement.
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Croesy Blue
Thé main reason I never want to talk about football is because of how biased people are. You can think someone is good without him playing for your side.
And just because a player plays for your side you don’t have to think he’s better than any other midfielder.
I bet you were laughing at the wolves ramsey thread too now you’re tarring us with the brush or ralls being better than neves!
You accuse me of bias, but then ignore completely all the facts I put up.
😂
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Croesy Blue
I’ve seen him play way more than 2 times a season though. And it isn’t just my opinion on him listen to any podcast or read any article on him and he’s always been thought of as one of the next big things.
I’ve seen him and ralls more than enough to make a judgement too, one will play in the champions league and one will play in the championship.
I think ralls is a good player but I’m not blinded by enough by loyalty to compare them.
Also if you want to bring statistics into it look at that passing stat, they’re midfielders.
If I can’t jdge neves how can you? You didn’t even know he was a defensive midfielder!
Did you not read what I said originally?
I said Ralls was probably better defensively- so you pick ONE stat out that has nothing to do with defending FFS.
Some of you need to calm down a bit
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jamieccfc
I like Ralls but I often wonder if I’m watching the same player as some
Agree. I think his ball control sometimes lets him down. He sometimes needs to long on the ball and invariably gets it taken off him against better opponents. Was lacking against Man city last week. That said he had some very good games last season and with a bit more sharpness about him would hold his own in the premiership.
Spedger
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Lawnmower
Did you not read what I said originally?
I said Ralls was probably better defensively- so you pick ONE stat out that has nothing to do with defending FFS.
Some of you need to calm down a bit
Ralls isn’t better defensively though, Neves best position is defensive midfield. He’s just very good at attacking too.
I’m not saying ralls is a bad player but he isn’t in Neves’ league in any aspect of his game.
Like you can pick any stats you want but I’ve seen them both play enough and I know which one will have a better career.
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Lawnmower
You accuse me of bias, but then ignore completely all the facts I put up.
😂
I haven’t ignored them but they don’t tell the full story. Modric never got many assist or goals at spurs and was derided for it then signed for Madrid and has won the world player of the year.
You can selectively use stats all you want but they don’t tell the full story.
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Lawnmower
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Firstly I’m not manipulating stats.
I’m quoting direct stats some of which are favourable some aren’t.
I’ve already said that Neves is probably better attack wise, but Ralls probably better defensively. So it’s not like I’m making an outrageous statement here.
These stats are based on a whole season- how the **** is that manipulative?
Second, you’ve seen him on TV a few times.. if you think that over rides a whole season’s worth of data , which you seem quite happy to ignore...then I’ll leave you to your subjective judgement.
I didn't mean you manipulate them but I didn't word it very well :biggrin: what I meant was stats are manipulated in general. I've only seen mbappe a few times on telly but I know he's better than zahore
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Croesy Blue
I haven’t ignored them but they don’t tell the full story. Modric never got many assist or goals at spurs and was derided for it then signed for Madrid and has won the world player of the year.
You can selectively use stats all you want but they don’t tell the full story.
FFS they are not SELECTIVE stats.
They are the full stats for a season.
They cover virtually every aspect of play
They are the most objective measure of comparison and the funny thing is, you clearly aren’t prepared to take them on board as they don’t match your judgement based on a few TV games.
I’ve put them out there so everyone can see the facts for themselves.
Same as the original article did.
That’s fine, it’s your choice, but I certainly will take account of this when I make my judgement