This is getting interesting now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44770847
We will have a Tory leadership election or general election soon methinks.
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This is getting interesting now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44770847
We will have a Tory leadership election or general election soon methinks.
I'm just thankful we voted for strong and stable, and not the coalition of chaos.
As both major parties are confused about what sort of Brexit is to be had (if at all) and that Brexit voters may now possibly be in the minority it will clarify nothing at all when put in the mix with party politics and all the other issues that are important to people.
Boris has been trying to engineer his own exit for months.
The hard brexiteers want nothing to do with the implementation of brexit because they know it is going to be a disaster. From the back benches they can escape untainted from the ensuing cluster**** and sweep back in to control of the party. This is all about individual ambitions.
I saw his recent speech at the rally in London. He was quite impressive, better than Nuttall but not up to Farage’s standards.
Their recent polling in the local elections will have no bearing on the next general election, IF Brexit is fudged or postponed.
Think your right I think the lady has played her cards and said over to you now do your worse or support me or bugger off ,and off two went , neither really appealing to electorate ,would the opposition deliver a majority to govern with a mandate nope , we are where we are,moderate Labour MP's might support her in a vote if its a soft Brexit ??
More to come
Wales-Bales and I and every other know-all said from the outset that the Red-Blue cartel would conspire not to honour the Leave vote by way of prevaricating and procrastinating.
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I can identify which media every person reads from their views. Me, I just follow Twitter, 50% left and 50% right, and I observe my chosen protagonists squabbling and arguing amongst themselves. It soon becomes apparent who the truth tellers are on a particular topic. The media only exist to spin one side of the story.
There are no winners now, it's just a fecking mess.
I have 4 major customers, 1 British, 1 Japanese, 1 German & 1 French. We employ 400+ people & double that in our supply chain. THe French company will not renew our contracts unless we relocate to Rumania, the German company (who we've supplied since 1998) have changed their contract wording to "must be made within the EU", so 60% of our business (& the associated jobs) disappear in March 2020. The British company's sales are down 45%.
Whichever way this now plays out, at least 50% of our workforce won't have the employment they have today.
Hair brained gobbledegook as usual. You bragged about your predictive skills of identifying truth tellers form your finely balanced trawl of various media and commentators. On the specific subject of the Conservative Party's handling of Brexit who are the truth tellers?
You have my sympathies and I am sure this scenario is far from unique. I am working part-time on an EU contract as a sub-contractor to a Belgian firm because UK companies are already being excluded from tendering for EU work. Still I guess it's comforting that a few on this board will have the answers!
There is no way the EU's current plans can succeed without the support of the US, Japan, etc.. Trump was very quick to take the major partners of the US in a new direction. I'm afraid it's already game over for the EU, and the PM is absolutely wasting her time trying to turn back the clock. I'm looking forward to Friday's press conference!
Utterly shameful from all the rats fleeing the sinking ship today. They started the campaign by painting the negotiations as a buffet where we would march in, pick what want and then shout at the EU to clean up the rest. They still seem to believe this today, but the test of their vision is that when May suggests a different direction (albeit vague and pointless), instead of outlining their vision, they scuttle off while saying 'well I wouldn't have done it like this'.
It has become so clear that they haven't the foggiest how to deliver what they promised during the campaign. And now we have Raab in charge who would remove ordinary working people's right to breathe his air if he could get it through parliament.
Cross party consensus then, now that would really scupper gutless Brexiteers , but nope silence .
This is all about power , from left to right ,not one party gives a flying duck about workers or people its all about agenda and power, and they are ALL happy to see failure , as long as they are not seen to be compromising or making an unpopular brave decesion .
They are all too shit scared of the 52% to just tell the truth.
If there was a way off offering what people were told they were voting for (no free movement, free frictionless trade, make our own laws, no paying what we owe historically and no economic hit) then one of the brexiteers would have tabled it.
This is not too tricky to comprehend:
£350m a week for the NHS as a direct consequence of leaving the EU;
Net Immigration EU and non EU below 100k per annum including students (Tory target but Brexit delivered);
Sovereignty of Parliament restored (before Gina Miller had to sue for it);
Easy to negotiate Britain favourable trade deals with non-EU countries far more beneficial than the trade we would lose with the EU;
Total ambiguity on the type of Brexit being proposed at the time of the referendum and promises that we could get all the benefits of being in the EU as well as those outside it (Boris cake and eat it).
Recognise any of this snake oil?
One of the myths that has grown up over the past two years is that all of the 52% voted for a particular kind of Brexit. That's just not true - people were basically asked do you like a particular organisation and less than half of the country when you go by those entitled to vote said they didn't. so this view carried the day.
There were all sorts of reasons why the 52% voted the way they did, some of them fueled by ignorance because of the abysmal standard of the debate on both sides, but no matter what sort of Brexit we end up with, there are going to be large numbers within the 52 % that won't be happy with the outcome.
What was needed was an informed national debate which could have taken months, or even years if need be. Instead we got ludicrous scaremongering on the one side and complete fantasy on the other as the most important decision this country faced since the second world war was rushed through to try and end a schism that has divided the governing party for decades, while the official opposition sat on it's hands hoping that no one would notice that they were riven by the same divide that afflicts the tories.