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"I am set on Wales at the moment, we'll see what happens but I'm set on Wales."
Commitment to the cause there.
Ah you can't expect players to think the same way about these things as fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
Agreed, but it's the mercenary nature of the kid that annoys me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Swayed by the Man City offer... where may well be chewed up and spat out, see Emyr Huws unless his head is really screwed on.
As yet he's proven absolutely nothing yet gives the indication he'd consider England if wanted.
I still wonder whether these kids would be better off staying put with their development clubs, as he'd probably be in the first team with us by now.
If his performances then dictated that big club offers came in, surely this route would benefit him (and us) more?
Don't worry we've got Brooks, Woodburn, Wilson & Bale who can all play out wide and are technically very good. He seems to be a speed merchant, but would he even get in the Wales team?
I was thinking of Ramon Calliste tbh. Left us, file firmly in the "where is he now" category.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arfur Europe
Its interesting especially when looking at the cases of say David Brooks against the Liverpool pair of Woodburn and Wilson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arfur Europe
You have Brooks getting some actual game time in the championship, learning and learning quickly in a challenging league. Where as you have Woodburn and Wilson doing really well in the U23s but getting no where near any level of competitive football. If you look at Woodburn his last 3 competitive matches has been for Wales.
There is a lot of talk about Brooks getting a Premier League move, but would that really be for his benefit at the moment, when we have clubs stocking young players for U23 action. If you listen to the Feast of Football podcast you will here Gabbidon talking quite harshly about the merits of U23 football, where it is nothing like the real thing, in terms of intensity.
Man city are doing a lot of good things with youth development, I don't think he'll suffer for going thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Arfur Europe
He won't suffer for a year or so, and then he needs to play football somewhere. Playing kids is all well and good but youth sides don't play like men, unsurprisingly. It will stunt his growth if he doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Aye, he's only 5' 4" so he needs to make a move asap!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
I imagine that once he's 18ish he will start getting loaned out to get that experienceQuote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
Stuart Pearce brought youth through. Since then... nothing of note.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Man City spend squillions to get the best in, their hoovering up of youth does nothing for the players. Huws for example imo would have benefitted more by remaining at Swansea.
Luckily Brooks escaped when he was 15.Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
I wouldn't go to Man City if you paid me. There's no chance you'll get in the side, especially a winger like Matondo. Risk it and play a kid, or play Sane? Also, as good as loan moves are, there's no incentive for the receiving club to develop that player as he isn't theirs. How many loanees have we had that we've left to rot on the bench for starters? If a loanee makes mistakes, he'll get dropped whereas if he's your player, you'll give him more chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
People like Sancho, Oxford have gone abroad to Germany etc to play. The only top 6 side I'd consider going to is Spurs, as Pochettino will give you a chance, especially given they have a smallish squad.
Chelsea buy up and loan out loads of talented youngsters , sure very few of them ultimately play for the Chelsea first team, but enough of them end up playing at a very high level for them to be doing something right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
I'm sure that none of the kids at man city expect to be rushing into the first team, possibly at all, but that doesn't mean it is a bad move for their career
It depends if it's good for them. Look at Loftus-Cheek, he's wasted the last 3 years of his life until this season. Man City could play a youngster or buy someone for 50m for no risk. If I'm a manager at a big club who knows I'll get sacked if I don't win something, I know what I'd do. Man City and Chelsea can buy all the young players they want but they're really there to make them money. It's a business decision that's completely separate from the first team. If one happens to be absolutely incredible, they'll loan him out or sell him with a buy back option. Ampadu is getting a go (thank God) because for some reason, Emenalo decided to loan out or sell most of the squad players at Chelsea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Are you any good?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
I really can't see anything wrong with this statement. He's a young kid for whom things are moving quickly at the moment and nothing is promised to anyone at that age. He could equally as well be playing to the audience of the MEN who will be mainly English and who's support he will need in his career in England.Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
Nothing to see here - he says he's set on Wales and that's good enough for me. It's also noticeable that Cardiff allowed him to leave it seems...
So he claims - hardly likely to say "well, we went to Man City for the money" is he? Prem teams can seemingly raid non Cat 1 academies at will with minimal compensation. Hell, Liverpool even tapped up Stoke academy players, hence their ban on signing players from academies for 2 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penarth Blues
Here's a WalesOnline article explaining Matondo's move to Man City, '...allowed him to leave' seems a bit harsh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penarth Blues
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/f...htest-11929955
Indeed - his comment makes it appear as if we were keeping him against his will. If that's his way of rationalising his choice, that's up to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....liste-13538744Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
Good to hear he's making a decent living outside football, many don't. Never played a league game. Pity he had a bad injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardM
I was under that impression as well, but the article suggests that Cardiff had been able to say No to a number of Prem teams. Not passing judgement either way but I was surprised by what the MEN had to say about the move.Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
Anyway, he's with Man City now but let's hope he stays with Wales if he's as good as he appears to be. We can have him back at Cardiff once we get promoted and he can't get into the Man City team... :-)
I wonder if they'll ever introduce a rule stipulating that players under 18 can't move clubs? That might help with some players' development, especially if they're playing for a lower league team before being snapped up by a PL club and then rotting in the reserves.
There are many cases of players from League 1 or League 2 clubs signed by PL clubs and not making any first team appearances for 5 or 6 years. That can't be good for anyone.
I think it would be just as bad. The big clubs will only snap up the talent younger and they're more likely to rot amongst squads of 500 other kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokyo Blue
Id limit sizes of academy/youth squad etc. Ridiculous that Chelsea can loan out 40 odd players.
Is that Prince William celebrating with him in the last photoQuote:
Originally Posted by RichardM
:sherlock:
Wonder if he'd still be playing for the Under 18s if he was still here? There's plenty who say he'll never play first team football at Man City, but would he have done so at Cardiff - we've been hopeless at handling the transition from promising youngster to first team footballer in the last five years or so.
I didn't see Matondo here but I'd have thought he was one youngster who had a real chance of progressing towards the first team. He's got pace and sounds like the kind of wide man that Warnock is looking to use. No real competition for that kind of player in the under-23s with them having a lack of pace presently so I'm sure he'd have had ample opportunity to show what he can do at that level. If Warnock had been here at the time, I wonder if things would've turned out differently? Probably not, but he's got the gift of the gab if nothing else and he may have been able to convince Rabbi of a future here, short term at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I know you've got concerns about the way Sion Spence is being handled, I'm not saying you're wrong but I don't know enough about that situation to pass judgement yet. On the whole I'm more optimistic about the pathway from youth to first team than I was when Slade was here. I'm certainly not claiming Warnock is perfect but the way he sets up means that every kind of player can feel they have a chance of making it here, if they're good enough of course.