How the feck didnt Wales qualify. Denmark and the Republic are piss poor.
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How the feck didnt Wales qualify. Denmark and the Republic are piss poor.
And so were we ...Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremy corbyn
Not consistently as bad as both those teams have been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Just to add, in my opinion we underachieved and that has to be down to the manager
Can you supply a bit more detail as to why CC deserves the bullet?Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremy corbyn
Fecking Iceland, size of Cardiff, limited players kicked on from Euros. N Ireland, we beat in Euros have got further than us, Republic who didnt get to Euros lokk like qualifying. We are the highest ranked country not to qualify.
Coleman failed to organise and motivate his troops. He, they thought we were worldbeaters. We could have been with the right manager.
I think Coleman has realised he had better players available which he didn't utilize. He must have known it from training.
We lost 1 game in the group stages. Very respectable
Having dropped points from winning positions. Not very respectable.
spot on:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
Ireland did qualify for the euros.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremy corbyn
Unfortunately, defensive howlers / lapses of concentration meant that the leads we held in every match (bar the frigging Ireland ones and TWO away in Austria) were continually thrown away.
This shows a mental fragility and not enough quality at the back. Taylor looks past his best already unfortunately, Williams isn't far off that either.
We might indeed need a new manager for a different approach and to not be too attached to the 'old guard'.
Yes, Euro 16 was absolutely magical, and no-one will ever forget it, but we need to start qualifying more regularly.
Bale, Ramsey, Davis, Allen available, plus several other premier league players.
We were the highest ranked team in our group, and the highest ranked in Europe not to qualify for the finals or play offs.
Norn Iron undone with a dodgy pelanty decision, never mind.
Michael O'Niell the Northern Ireland manager would've walked Wales into the World Cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by G rangetown Blue
Here’s an interesting statistic-Out of a possible 900 minutes of football in the qualifiers,Bale,Ramsey and Allen were only on the pitch for 230 of them.I think it just goes to show we need our best players playing, as we don’t have much depth to the squad.
Coleman only has one system of play and when that doesn't work we're ****ed, imo he's taken us as far as he possibly can and he's to stubborn to drop any of the old guard
He was too conservative. It cost us.
Coleman out, Corbyn in.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Too stubborn? That same team and system got us to a semi final. You can hardly blame him for using it again. Your not seriously suggesting that he should have dropped it just because of a few draws or thrown Woodburn, Brooks and Ampadu in from the start?Quote:
Originally Posted by jamieccfc
That style relies purely on counter attacking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry Shitpeas
That's great but does **** all when facing Ireland, whose tactic was to park the bus, kick the shit out of anything and look to hit on the break.
When it came to having to play on the front foot, Coleman didn't really have any idea how to do so - if he did, he didn't communicate it to the players particularly well.
I agree that system was unlikey to work against Ireland unless Bale was playing. I think the big mistake Coleman made in that game was to bring on Jonny Williams rather than Dave Edwards, which would have allowed Rambo to play further forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
My point was more genrally that, given the success that system and team has had, and how weak our squad is, he was never going to scrap it and change personal at the first sign on problems.
It's not a case of scrapping it per se, it's a case that you need to have more than one system, players need to know and be familiar with them. We've changed things for different games, for example. Coleman seems unable to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry Shitpeas
I'm not saying drop everyone and start playing like Barcelona but he has his favourites and when certain players don't play well he won't drop any of them. As the manager I would expect him to have had a couple of more different styles of dependent on how the game was going but he had no idea against Ireland and if he picks Neil Taylor again he deserves sackingQuote:
Originally Posted by Barry Shitpeas
Too right brother ' time for Rush and Hughes to goQuote:
Originally Posted by jamieccfc
He probably feels he has been unable to given the lack of depth. Hopefully the emergence of the three youngsters will help, Ampadu in particular could see us bin the five at the back for a while and give our midfield a chance to run the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
That was my point above. Coleman has done an incredible job with us, no two ways about it but I do feel both us and him need a change now. A bit of a freshen up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
He's too close and pally with the players we have, and while that worked wonders for a few years, it will hinder us going forward. Unless he decides to go and change it all up completely, with a new style and new personnel. Is that within him?
Everyone forgets the influence of the excellent Osian Roberts in all this. He's an excellent coach who is training other top coaches, so we will hopefully always have Osian alongside whoever is Manager.
This is absolutely the feeling I have too. With genuine respect to Coleman and his achievements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arfur Europe
But, I do wonder who the hell 'we' (or rather, they) would end up replacing Coleman with.
There really is no obvious stand out successor to Coleman that I can see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vimto
Pulis says he’s not interested at the moment, Hughes is unlikely to return. Giggs and Bellamy would be a big gamble as they have no managerial experience. Osian Roberts is very much a coach. The FAW have never employed a foreign manager, other than a few English ones.
I think we are better off sticking with Coleman until one of the young Welsh candidates are ready.
Coleman's time to get a decent ( ie Prem ) job is running out.
Think he expected them to come running after the Euros only to find he's not as highly regarded as he thinks.
I suspect he's been trying to smoke out any offers; none will arise so I'm sure he and the FAW will find a way to both save face as he signs a new contract.
Probably not far from the truth that. If this is what happens, then let's hope Coleman now shows a harder side to him and brings through a load of the youth, as Brian Flynn did in 2007 (with Toshack's blessing to be fair) to create this current generation:Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/f...tball-13880144
Glad tbat Toshack's work is being recognised here. Better manager by a country mile than Coleman who happened to be in the right place at the right time.
I repeat what i said at the start, Coleman is limited tactically, we should have qualified for the WC and its time for a fresh face.
Ryan Giggs anyone? Lol
He has no plan BQuote:
Originally Posted by jamieccfc
we counter attack and it worked well in the past, of course everyone knows that and just will not leave space at the back, so we struggle