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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Dr Lecter
Textbook Gluey here.
Gets pushed for some actual substance, realises he has nothing to offer so directs the thread on a different tangent.
Posts a video that doesn't really say a lot, post a link to something that doesn't really say a lot, implies that there's something huge about to happen but doesn't really say a lot, tells us all that we need to open our eyes to the truth, tells us that he knows the truth nudge nudge wink wink, gets pushed for some actual substance, realises he has nothing to offer so directs the thread on a different tangent.........repeat to fade.
Gluey, why not save us all the inevitable endless merry go round of the next 10 pages and tell us what it is you claim to know? No links, no insinuation, no laughing smilies, no cryptic vague tittle tattle, just a basic assessment in plain English of your actual opinion on what it is you claim to know that others are failing to see. That way we can all sit back, watch how things play out and see just how accurate your assesment of the big picture really is.
Over to you.....
You have a brain, use it and think for yourself :biggrin:
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
You did read the Fox News report?
Attorney Christopher Gowen told Fox News that federal authorities have no evidence of misconduct by Awan relating to his IT duties.
Yes I read it. I also wrote above that "The DNC and certain law enforcement agencies tried to bury the whole thing". I think that should clear up any confusion.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Yes I read it. I also wrote above that "The DNC and certain law enforcement agencies tried to bury the whole thing". I think that should clear up any confusion.
So on some issues you are unable to form a judgment until the FBI or DoJ press charges but when charges are pressed following an investigation of the available evidence it is down to soft pedalling. Exhausting stuff this conspiracy theorising it never seems to provide closure!
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Its a nice little game you've got going here. When pressures on and your cupboard is empty you say:
For the pizzagate stuff:
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Conclusive evidence = prosecutions or the published findings from an official public enquiry. Neither have happened, so in the meantime all outcomes are inconclusive in my opinion.
Or the terrorist in Charlottesville:
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Wales-Bales
Like I said above I'm waiting for the FBI/DOJ to look into this before I make any comments. There seems to be a lot more going on than what the media are reporting.
But when the authorities do speak and it's the 'wrong' answer we have:
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Wales-Bales
Yes I read it. I also wrote above that "The DNC and certain law enforcement agencies tried to bury the whole thing". I think that should clear up any confusion.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
Well, we gave the usual winking and wise noddings going on but no substance. Groundhog Day!
There will if course be a few 'told you so's bandied about in the undetermined future, despite nothing the fact that nothing of substance has been said here - by anybody.
Gluey is absolutely right we have to use our own minds, and that includes ignoring those who pretend to know, but have little to offer when pressed. ;)
The Trump dinner-dating Anchor from Murdochs Fox News has tweeted something excitedly.
Personally, I'll wait and see if it comes to anything before getting as excited as some clearly are.
It may well get exciting. It may be more bullocks.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
So on some issues you are unable to form a judgment until the FBI or DoJ press charges but when charges are pressed following an investigation of the available evidence it is down to soft pedalling. Exhausting stuff this conspiracy theorising it never seems to provide closure!
You can attack me personally as much as you want, but you won't stop any of these events happening. The thing is, we all have access to the same information, but all you saw was the Russians and more Russians. You need to realise that the problem is with the functionion of your brain and nothing to do with me. You are easily led.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
So on some issues you are unable to form a judgment until the FBI or DoJ press charges but when charges are pressed following an investigation of the available evidence it is down to soft pedalling. Exhausting stuff this conspiracy theorising it never seems to provide closure!
The word is conclusive evidence. Hillary got away without charge regarding her email server, but many people know what she did. That's why Congress have opened a new investigation. Corruption and collision is a very big problem.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Sgt. Pepper
Well, we gave the usual winking and wise noddings going on but no substance. Groundhog Day!
There will if course be a few 'told you so's bandied about in the undetermined future, despite nothing the fact that nothing of substance has been said here - by anybody.
Gluey is absolutely right we have to use our own minds, and that includes ignoring those who pretend to know, but have little to offer when pressed. ;)
The Trump dinner-dating Anchor from Murdochs Fox News has tweeted something excitedly.
Personally, I'll wait and see if it comes to anything before getting as excited as some clearly are.
It may well get exciting. It may be more bullocks.
Hannity has been "tick tocking" so long that he seems to be auditioning for Big Ben's replacement. That said a counter attack of some description appears to be in the pipeline given the corner that Trump has backed himself into. Interesting to see its substance.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Its a nice little game you've got going here. When pressures on and your cupboard is empty you say:
For the pizzagate stuff:
Or the terrorist in Charlottesville:
But when the authorities do speak and it's the 'wrong' answer we have:
You need to factor in corruption and collision. Your thesis only works if the system is sqeaky clean.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
You have a brain, use it and think for yourself :biggrin:
So nothing to offer then?
As I suspected.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Sgt. Pepper
Well, we gave the usual winking and wise noddings going on but no substance. Groundhog Day!
There will if course be a few 'told you so's bandied about in the undetermined future, despite nothing the fact that nothing of substance has been said here - by anybody.
Gluey is absolutely right we have to use our own minds, and that includes ignoring those who pretend to know, but have little to offer when pressed. ;)
The Trump dinner-dating Anchor from Murdochs Fox News has tweeted something excitedly.
Personally, I'll wait and see if it comes to anything before getting as excited as some clearly are.
It may well get exciting. It may be more bullocks.
Well it's a very big machine that Trump is up against, they control all the entrances and exits.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
You can attack me personally as much as you want, but you won't stop any of these events happening. The thing is, we all have access to the same information, but all you saw was the Russians and more Russians. You need to realise that the problem is with the functionion of your brain and nothing to do with me. You are easily led.
How ironic, 'easily led' 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Wales-Bales
You need to factor in corruption and collision. Your thesis only works if the system is sqeaky clean.
I think you've missed the point.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Dr Lecter
So nothing to offer then?
As I suspected.
I'm not the one who has a problem seeing how events are currently unfolding. In fact, I predicted them a long time ago.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
lardy
I think you've missed the point.
I haven't missed any point. We all know what Tony Blair did but he is still a free man. You still have to get past he system, no matter what the evidence is.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
You can attack me personally as much as you want, but you won't stop any of these events happening. The thing is, we all have access to the same information, but all you saw was the Russians and more Russians. You need to realise that the problem is with the functionion of your brain and nothing to do with me. You are easily led.
Apologies if you think this is a personal attack. I don't think I mentioned the Russians. All I am trying to understand is the substance behind the innuendo and suggestions in the information you and I have accessed. What I have read is that the Awan family could be a Pakistani spy cell, who have infiltrated the DNC via Wassermann Shultz (perhaps by the accused sleeping with her) to have gained access to DNC information. This could well be the information that was passed to Wiki-Leaks probably by Seth Rich who was then silenced, possibly by Awan who knew him.
Set against this we have a criminal investigation by the authorities that has indicted Awan on fraud charges. On the balance of probabilities my brain tells me this is probably all there is. I respect your right to think otherwise but like my easily led views I would not expect those views of what happened to go unchallenged (when we know what those views are):sherlock:
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Wales-Bales
I haven't missed any point. We all know what Tony Blair did but he is still a free man. You still have to get past he system, no matter what the evidence is.
I'm afraid you have. I'm not saying justice is always served or denying that powerful people get away with all sorts of shit.
When it suits you, you'll shut down a conversation by saying let's wait for the investigation, and when one starts saying stuff you don't like (such as this Awan thing) then it's all a big coverup. Can't have it both ways.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
Apologies if you think this is a personal attack. I don't think I mentioned the Russians. All I am trying to understand is the substance behind the innuendo and suggestions in the information you and I have accessed. What I have read is that the Awan family could be a Pakistani spy cell, who have infiltrated the DNC via Wassermann Shultz (perhaps by the accused sleeping with her) to have gained access to DNC information. This could well be the information that was passed to Wiki-Leaks probably by Seth Rich who was then silenced, possibly by Awan who knew him.
Set against this we have a criminal investigation by the authorities that has indicted Awan on fraud charges. On the balance of probabilities my brain tells me this is probably all there is. I respect your right to think otherwise but like my easily led views I would not expect those views of what happened to go unchallenged (when we know what those views are):sherlock:
The Daily Caller and George Webb have looked into the Awan family extensively. Have the MSM covered any of it? No they haven't. A good question to ask is why not? The matter has been brought up by Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley on numerous occasions. All the MSM have done is conduct a hatchet job on Rep Devin Nunes, and constantly go on about the Russians. Well IMO it is all starting to unravel, so just sit back and enjoy the ride. There is a very good reason why Trump consistently refers to the MSM as fake news, it's because they constantly report fake news. The genie is out of the bottle and it's not going back inside anytime soon.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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lardy
I'm afraid you have. I'm not saying justice is always served or denying that powerful people get away with all sorts of shit.
When it suits you, you'll shut down a conversation by saying let's wait for the investigation, and when one starts saying stuff you don't like (such as this Awan thing) then it's all a big coverup. Can't have it both ways.
The Awans have been on the radar for quite some time, but no action was taken against them. They seem to be very well protected, so these fraud charges are a foot in the door that will allow them to go through all of their other stuff. It's quite a major achievment getting this far. Wasserman Schultz is on camera directly threatening the NYPD chief with consequences if he looked at her computer.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
The Daily Caller and George Webb have looked into the Awan family extensively. Have the MSM covered any of it? No they haven't. A good question to ask is why not? The matter has been brought up by Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley on numerous occasions. All the MSM have done is conduct a hatchet job on Rep Devin Nunes, and constantly go on about the Russians. Well IMO it is all starting to unravel, so just sit back and enjoy the ride. There is a very good reason why Trump consistently refers to the MSM as fake news, it's because they constantly report fake news. The genie is out of the bottle and it's not going back inside anytime soon.
Donny's in no position to comment on fake news when his tweets refer to imaginary incident involving pigs blood as he did yesterday.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Wales-Bales
I'm not the one who has a problem seeing how events are currently unfolding. In fact, I predicted them a long time ago.
You say 'some stuff is going to happen '
Some stuff happens. As stuff does.
You then say ' I told you some stuff was going to happen '.
sigh... Whatever! Moving on..
We don't even know what this stuff is yet.
But I agree, Wasserman Shultz saga looks like a runner now.
And also the good ship Trump is lurching from side to side, but clearly seems to have changed course and raised some steam.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Sgt. Pepper
We don't even know what this stuff is yet.
Luke Rosiak from the Daily Caller has reported extensively on this matter. The reason you don't know about it is because the MSM haven't touched this story. Again why not? Rosiak was referencing court records, so it's not as though he was making it all up. Now compare this with the Russian hacking story and we see that everything is inverted. We all have access to exactly the same information that is available on the internet, the difference is how we process this information. There is no magic involved.
http://dailycaller.com/author/luke-rosiak/
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
Gluey. You hedge, fudge and obfuscate your way along, fingering so many side plates on the smorgasbord and then claim to have been ITK all along
Well known for doing exactly that.
I guess it's important to you. ;)
Tbf, you have nailed your colours to the mast regards Trump and the Rusky narrative (or the inverse) from the outset, and that is still to be played out. In whatever manner it does, or doesn't.
Interesting times.
All TBC.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
I'm not the one who has a problem seeing how events are currently unfolding. In fact, I predicted them a long time ago.
Did I say you had a problem with how events are unfolding?
If it's aimed at me then you couldn't be further from the truth. I learned a long time ago to ignore the corruption and incompetence of our so called leaders. Fact is they're all just part of the system - Your friend Don as well.
Just for the record, what exactly did you predict?
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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CardiffIrish2
Donny's in no position to comment on fake news when his tweets refer to imaginary incident involving pigs blood as he did yesterday.
Come on now.
You know the rules:
MSM reports it - fake news to back up their agenda.
Trump tweets it himself - Gluey changes the subject.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Sgt. Pepper
Gluey. You hedge, fudge and obfuscate your way along, fingering so many side plates on the smorgasbord and then claim to have been ITK all along
Well known for doing exactly that.
I guess it's important to you. ;)
Tbf, you have nailed your colours to the mast regards Trump and the Rusky narrative (or the inverse) from the outset, and that is still to be played out. In whatever manner it does, or doesn't.
Interesting times.
All TBC.
Regarding what I post on here, you can take it as read that I have a fairly good understanding of the subject matter. However, I don't want to tell other people what to think, so if anything I mention piques your interest go ahead and research the subject for yourself. I believe everybody should come to their own conclusions without influence from others. I mentioned the Awans back in February, so everybody had the chance to look into them if they so wished. Athough it most probably got drowned out by the Russian hacking narrative, which I suspect was the intention all along. Besides the Russian hacking, I also said the Seth Rich story was far from over when lardy was trying to put it to bed. I admit there are more questions than answers, but the least we can do is look at everything with an open and enquiring mind.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Dr Lecter
Come on now.
You know the rules:
MSM reports it - fake news to back up their agenda.
Trump tweets it himself - Gluey changes the subject.
The pigs blood is just a bit of gamesmanship, I wouldn'd be surprised if there wasn't a hidden message in there somewhere :biggrin:
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
The pigs blood is just a bit of gamesmanship, I wouldn'd be surprised if there wasn't a hidden message in there somewhere :biggrin:
Alternatively he could just be full of shit, much like the story itself.
However, let's just wait for the enquiry until we pass judgement.
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Re: The Donald Trump thread
3 Questions About A Pro-Russia Congressman's Meeting With Julian Assange
http://www.npr.org/2017/08/18/544266...julian-assange
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Interesting - Murdochs Junior not a Trump fan?
(Guardian, Liars, Fake News warning ).
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...harlottesville