HOW CN U B SURE HAVE U AKSED THEM ALL
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I'm sure you realise that my question was why do these police officers not have tasers, not how do they get around it.
Maybe they don't have the resources to train everyone, or the resources to buy units for all, or maybe there's just no need for every officer to have one as the typical type of crime doesn't demand it.
Whatever the reason(s) for them not giving tasers to all officers, you can multiply it by ten for guns.
the point of distribution is important here, it is fine to use examples of what happens in London, but in rural area it is not the same, mainly due to the size of counties / amount of trained officers, it is compounded with the issue of forces sharing resources, in my example, a ARU could be in Yeovil and needed in Gloucester, now thats a rather large distance to travel
it could well be the cost of them ? ? ? we know in real money the Police have for years had budgets cut
Originally Posted by blue matt
"I fully understand that training them all to carry arms would take time, but lets start, lets get more trained, the armed officers will be wearing body cams, so they will know they are being filmed and will not have free reign to " pop a cap ""
What you mean like American law enforcement officers who have been regularly filmed shooting people even they though know they are being filmed ?
Doesn"t seem to have stopped them now does it ?
fair enough
we have a top notch police force, yes they make mistakes, but in general, they do a good job
maybe we will never know what would happen if we armed them, the thing we do need to look at it offering them more protection and the tools to go about the job they bravely do, if that it more tazers or guns ? ? ? then so be it
great thread, totally derailed but non the less :hehe:
How is it derailed? The OP was about giving all the police guns and that's still what's being talked about.
If anything, people like you steaming into the thread shouting "bollocks" like a drunkard and accusing people of being angry for no reason is the closest this thread came to derailment.
Maybe every police offer should be armed with Blue Matt the complete weapon that he is.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone ever put forward a worse argument for anything in the history of this board.
Thats ignoring the fact he used the American police as a point for the police being armed!
I apologised for the brash phrasing I used in the light of yesterdays events, the point I was making is valid.
Maybe if thread derailment is a concern for you, next time you'll take the time to articulate your thoughts rather than bursting in just shouting "bollocks" as if it's helpful to anyone.
I would shit you in the farce if you came at me with a big chupper.
as a a retired met officer who was an AFO for 15 years my articulate thoughts are that the police don't need or want to be fully armed, what they need is enough armed response to deal with situations that arise, not a problem in London but obviously an issue in other smaller forces, carrying a weapon is a huge responsibility with the onus on you to justify your actions taken in the split second of an incident perhaps to a jury months later when what you did can be minutely examined, not everyone wants that responsibility, we've seen previous threads on this board with people asking why didn't they shoot to wound sums up the predicament nicely
really ? ? ? did I ? ? ?
I like to think our police force is slightly better than the US
really ? ? ?
because its easy to use the US and its armed officers are a example to win the " we do not want to arm our police "
argument
I think that our police force is slightly better trained and behaved that the US
then you had nothing to say ? ? ?
Pah, people coming on here who know what they're talking abou and talking sense based on their experience??? Away with you man.
Seriously though, respect to you sir.
In a side note, when I was at uni we played rugby against the met, hard as fookin nails the lot of them. I also used to play for Orpington and we had a couple of officers from the met who were bonkers :hehe:
A big no from me, I was in France during the Euros and I was a uncomfortable with seeing the Army on the streets as well as heavily armed police, I know it was a necessity but I would hate for that to become the norm here.
Besides why is there such a knee jerk reaction to yesterdays events? There was little that could have been done to stop what happened. I thought our emergency services did a terrific job of minimising what could have been a far worse situation. It's tragic that people died but the death toll was low compared to similar attacks in Berlin and especially Nice. I am not sure if arming the police will have stopped what happened yesterday.
Another good post. Not sure how accurate it is, but I've read a report that the armed officers on scene immediately ran to the car but in the confusion the driver made his way through the crowd and went for the unarmed policeman and was actually shot by the nearest armed office, a minister's close protection officer.
As you say, the bravery and professionalism of our police and other emergency services yesterday was something we should all applaud and be proud of, but it's difficult to understand what else they could've done. They are a credit to our country.
As an ex copper of 13 years who left in 2014 I agree with above . I didnt want to be armed and some ( not the majority ) I wouldn't trust with a stapler. One Copper who was desperate to be armed used to play shooting games at home all night, thank **** he failed the tests otherwise he'd have been Maniac Cop meets Tackleberry from Police academy.
I think more Cops should be trained up, and also personally think there should be more Cops full stop.
Ironic Theresa May praising them yesterday when her and Tom Winsor have been ****ing over the various Police organisations over the country since 2010.
welcome to the thread, even though disagree with me :thumbup:
as you say, the answer must be to have more ARU's, i have used rural area's as a example, over 30 mins ETA to the furthest town in the county
you mention not all would want to be armed, what type of % do you think it would be ? ? ( I am planning to ask my mate this tomorrow ) i have mentioned in this thread the bloke next door using his tazer and the comebacks on it, he is still worried about it now
I have sent this thread to a AR Officer in the met, he has replied to me, that he will read it later
Matt's all over the place here today :hehe: