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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
In your opinion. Personally, I think his comments about Cornelius are highly amusing considering the circumstances in which the deal came about. Bear in mind that Tan had removed the previous CEO and replaced him with 'his own man' as he apparently wanted more control. That went well.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/19781296
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
chepstow
Best manager weve ever had i wont slag him off.
Football, like life in general, is all about opinions.
In my lifetime, and in my point of view, Scoular, Dave Jones, and Eddie May* were all better than Malky.
In Malky's defense though, I do think he would have kept us in the premier league if he hadn't been underminded by Tan
*I wish Eddie had been given the chance to manage at what is now Championship level for a few seasons to test this theory out
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
All this stuff has been done to death a thousand times and nobody is gonna change their minds now.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Kris
Mackay will be remembered for the promotion in 20 years time. Tan will be remembered for the rebrand.
This, 100%. Even if we are promoted again with Tan still here.
It still rankles a bit when we won promotion, Tan came out to "here's the man who made it all possible".
I suspect Tan was rankled that Malky got more credit, adulation, etc - probably sent him down the route of criticising Malky at every opportunity.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the Malky/Tan situation I'd say the real idiot is the guy who comes out with petty vindictive shit like this at a time when the fans are finally starting to get behind the club once again.
We're top of the league, we've got a great manager in charge of a very useful looking squad, the crowds (and atmosphere) seem to be getting back to what they used to be, there's a real buzz around club for the first time in years and all this tool wants to do is use his visit to shine the spotlight back on himself.
Move on Tan, what's done is done. You're making yourself look like a very small man.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
He's had his fingers burnt so badly by that deal, that I can imagine us being lucky enough to go up again sometime then Tan refusing to spend more than £5m on any players.
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He's clearly not used to having £10m of his money just evaporate like that with nothing left to show for it.
In fairness to him, in my business if I was responsible for wasting 10m I would also be sacked and people would still be talking about it for a few years.
I think him being there on Saturday can only be a good thing, he could have a bigger long term influence on our fortunes than anyone else at the club.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Dr Lecter
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the Malky/Tan situation I'd say the real idiot is the guy who comes out with petty vindictive shit like this at a time when the fans are finally starting to get behind the club once again.
We're top of the league, we've got a great manager in charge of a very useful looking squad, the crowds (and atmosphere) seem to be getting back to what they used to be, there's a real buzz around club for the first time in years and all this tool wants to do is use his visit to shine the spotlight back on himself.
Move on Tan, what's done is done. You're making yourself look like a very small man.
In Tans defence (yes I know) maybe he was asked specifically about Cornelius.
However, he comes across as a small man because he is a small man. My mum told me to reverse the rebrand - pathetic behaviour. Mike Ashley (an equally odious git) was on Sky yesterday giving a frank assessment of his mistakes, Tan deflects any criticism onto Mackay's signing of Cornelius (what about Mutch, Campbell gave good value, others sold at higher price than Cardiff paid?)
Rebrand
Employing people without visas
Making a kid head of recruitment
Countless CEO changes
The new stand while relegation was on the cards
Running a loss in Premier League
Failing to convert debt to equity (still being talked about 5 years since the promise of being debt free)
Lowest crowds in CCS history just 2 seasons after "investing" £100m
Owing him £120m plus (his words) despite so called investment, despite Sky money, despite selling players at profit
His public criticism of a young kid recovering from injury and under pressure to justify a £10m price tag
Booing team during defeat
Trolling fans with "we'll always be red"
Claiming bluebird brand never achieved anything other than a cup win in 1928
Calling a board meeting while game was ongoing
Boasting the club could lose 25% of fans
Opponents labeled "kids"
But yeah, signing Cornelius was the only problem wasn't it? And, apparently, he is the best owner ever.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
Cardiff fans "Welcome back to CCS Vinny, did you bring your wallet?"
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
Most of those - admittedly poor - actions are in the past.
What action do you recommend Kris?
Action, protest, staying away?
Bit late, been done to death.
Or is it best to plough on and see what happens next.
Surely so.
We might even get sold if we do well and appear a positive club. Careful what we wish for there eh?!
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Kris
In Tans defence (yes I know) maybe he was asked specifically about Cornelius.
However, he comes across as a small man because he is a small man. My mum told me to reverse the rebrand - pathetic behaviour. Mike Ashley (an equally odious git) was on Sky yesterday giving a frank assessment of his mistakes, Tan deflects any criticism onto Mackay's signing of Cornelius (what about Mutch, Campbell gave good value, others sold at higher price than Cardiff paid?)
Rebrand
Employing people without visas
Making a kid head of recruitment
Countless CEO changes
The new stand while relegation was on the cards
Running a loss in Premier League
Failing to convert debt to equity (still being talked about 5 years since the promise of being debt free)
Lowest crowds in CCS history just 2 seasons after "investing" £100m
Owing him £120m plus (his words) despite so called investment, despite Sky money, despite selling players at profit
His public criticism of a young kid recovering from injury and under pressure to justify a £10m price tag
Booing team during defeat
Trolling fans with "we'll always be red"
Claiming bluebird brand never achieved anything other than a cup win in 1928
Calling a board meeting while game was ongoing
Boasting the club could lose 25% of fans
Opponents labeled "kids"
But yeah, signing Cornelius was the only problem wasn't it? And, apparently, he is the best owner ever.
Christ, I hope I never have to rely on you for defence. :hehe:
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Mambo
"But yeah, signing Cornelius was the only problem wasn't it? And, apparently, he is the best owner ever."
Do you think that was the only reason or do you think perhaps - just perhaps there was more to it than that, in that Tan suspected Malky/Moody were on the make and effectively taking money off him. As to me - the reaction of Tan was that of a man who had been double crossed / taken for a fool. I would react a lot worse than Tan did if I suspected someone I employed had done that.
Malky tried his usual bully boy tactics, puffed his chest out etc - then backed down when he was fronted up about it, apologised profusely to Tan etc - does that sound like a man who has been wrongfully dismissed ? - as it doesnt to me.
I thought he apologised for the racist texts, not stealing money?
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
Christ, I hope I never have to rely on you for defence. :hehe:
He's as good a defender as Declan John!
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Sgt. Pepper
Most of those - admittedly poor - actions are in the past.
What action do you recommend Kris?
Action, protest, staying away?
Bit late, been done to death.
Or is it best to plough on and see what happens next.
Surely so.
We might even get sold if we do well and appear a positive club. Careful what we wish for there eh?!
That's not the argument I was making at all. Tan still harps on about the Cornelius deal, as if that was the one only mistake made in all those years.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
Christ, I hope I never have to rely on you for defence. :hehe:
:hehe: I'm trying to be fair to Tan, I don't know what he was asked in his BBC ambush interview. But, if we're going to make a case for him being the best owner the club has ever had, I'm definitely on the prosecution for that one.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Mambo
"But yeah, signing Cornelius was the only problem wasn't it? And, apparently, he is the best owner ever."
Do you think that was the only reason or do you think perhaps - just perhaps there was more to it than that, in that Tan suspected Malky/Moody were on the make and effectively taking money off him. As to me - the reaction of Tan was that of a man who had been double crossed / taken for a fool. I would react a lot worse than Tan did if I suspected someone I employed had done that.
Malky tried his usual bully boy tactics, puffed his chest out etc - then backed down when he was fronted up about it, apologised profusely to Tan etc - does that sound like a man who has been wrongfully dismissed ? - as it doesnt to me.
From memory, Tan got in a bunch of forensic auditors and accountants to look over the dealings of those Mackay years. I assume nothing was found, because Tan is hardly Mr Confidential is he?
Is Tan right to be pissed off at Mackay? Yes. Am I right to be pissed off at Tan? In my opinion, and with all things considered, yes.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
RichardM
Who's career? Malky or Cornelius?
Malky.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Nick
Malky.
Malky's career was defined by us though. Watford was rated, fell away end of season. Given his assistant was Sean Dyche, who has gone on to do a cracking job at Burnley, maybe Malky benefitted from having him around.
Season we went into the Prem, wasn't it something like last 12 games we got 17 points out of a possible 36? We limped into the Prem, aided by teams around us also slumping. It was as if nobody wanted to go up!
We went up with big problems in terms of the squad composition. If you want to sit deep and counter-attack, you need pace in the squad. We lacked that and it wasn't addressed in the transfer window. Playing as if it's Rourke's Drift for an entire Prem season isn't going to succeed - teams worked us out, we were starting to concede goals.
Cornelius, Brayford, Moore, Caulker, Medel, Theophile-Catherine, Odemwingie. None addressed pace and width from that group. Conway who at least worked hard was shunted out. Gestede was brought in then bafflingly loaned out and sold for a pittance.
The Wigan debacle isn't even worth talking about. 19 points out of 72.
It's pretty clear Malky's ability as a manager has been vastly overrated due to us being promoted into the Prem.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Zenith
Old news, I thought we knew this 3 years ago?
It is indeed old news , but relevant today to where our position is , hence the repeat comment , I would be defending myself every bloody week if I was Tan ,that was bloody wasteful and set us back and we are still feeling that impact , MM wastes 20 million and loved Tan re-brands and invests and is hated .
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
"How come I'm in the Premier League and you're finding time to do a project for the future? What rubbish is that? And you pay £45,000 a week for a project? Rubbish!"
Vincent is right, that is rubbish. After all, what sort of an idiot would give the go-ahead for such a half-baked project? I mean, who on earth employed the CEO that sanctioned such nonsense? And who appointed the directors that were happy to let this deal go through? Madness I tell you, madness!
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A naive and trusting one perhaps, one who now micro manages it better , one who for the first time of entering the the nasty world of footy with its greedy, conning agents ,players and over inflated managers ego's , he should have sought advise before entrusting his million to a underachiever, does that make evil nah ,not in my book ,just under cooked ,doing well now though .
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Cleve van Leef
£12 million plus for Championship side
£50 million in PL
Not a lot.
Plus I remember a lot of championship managers bemoaning the fact that we landed Bellamy on the cheap while he was still more than capable of remaining in the Premier league.
I do not accept for one minute that MM achieved promotion on "next to nothing".
At least not based on spending at that time.
Spending £50M for the PL promotion would still be regarded as an excellent budget in todays market.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
DubaiDai
Plus I remember a lot of championship managers bemoaning the fact that we landed Bellamy on the cheap while he was still more than capable of remaining in the Premier league.
I do not accept for one minute that MM achieved promotion on "next to nothing".
At least not based on spending at that time.
Spending £50M for the PL promotion would still be regarded as an excellent budget in todays market.
This thread is all about I hate Tan ignore the Malkay cock up ,let move on as we now have a real manager
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
This thread is all about I hate Tan ignore the Malkay cock up ,let move on as we now have a real manager
To be honest there are still a lot of bitter and twisted people about. For Christ’s sake he changed the colour of the shirt from blue to red, didn’t the Club change from brown/yellow quarters to blue previously? Anyone would have thought it was the end of the world.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Cleve van Leef
To be honest there are still a lot of bitter and twisted people about. For Christ’s sake he changed the colour of the shirt from blue to red, didn’t the Club change from brown/yellow quarters to blue previously? Anyone would have thought it was the end of the world.
Bitter, twisted, Riverside, classic.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Bitter, twisted, Riverside, classic.
Would you like some gin to go with the bitter lemon?
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
This thread is all about I hate Tan ignore the Malkay cock up ,let move on as we now have a real manager
Strange thing is this topic only gets revisited when Tan is in town,would be great to hear him say Let's move on as we now have a real manager,if he says something to that effect then the Malky supporters can move on also.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
Cleve van Leef
To be honest there are still a lot of bitter and twisted people about. For Christ’s sake he changed the colour of the shirt from blue to red, didn’t the Club change from brown/yellow quarters to blue previously? Anyone would have thought it was the end of the world.
On a serous note i would love to play in our true colours of brown/yellow quarters , great if it was our second kit , I d buy a top , and a scarf , those colour's tend to suit my lovely complexion , I've never looked good in red or blue ,tends to to throw my looks off piste , the pastel shades are for me draws the ladies in .
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Would you like some gin to go with the bitter lemon?
And some Ice :wink:
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
Based on VT behavoiur, comments, interviews and actions he comes across to me as a pretty unpleasant egotistical individual who got into a sport he knew nothing about and got his figures burned. He himself has a lot to answer for. He did some crazy things which made him look a crazy man. He likes to boast about making literally hundreds of millions a year but then rages about selective transfer dealings which he claims cost him a fortune but in reality are loose change in the great sphere of things to him. Truth is MM stood up to him and he defended his squad and his own performance. Tan hated it but MM had the fans behind him and Tan hated that. Eventually Tan removed him and has led a misplaced crusade against MM ever since. VT made the fatal mistake of threatening CCFC supporters with their own club. I hope he realises that now?
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
I think Malky's biggest mistake was blowing all that money on Cornelius, then going to the press saying he needed more money to strengthen the side.
It'd be like me giving the Mrs £100 to go to Tesco, her spending it on shite like scented candles, then complaining that I haven't given her enough money to buy food with.
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Re: Malky was an Idiot...... A.A. Won't like this
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Originally Posted by
TH63
I think Malky's biggest mistake was blowing all that money on Cornelius, then going to the press saying he needed more money to strengthen the side.
It'd be like me giving the Mrs £100 to go to Tesco, her spending it on shite like scented candles, then complaining that I haven't given her enough money to buy food with.
He started believing his own hype and got too big for his boots.
Appearing on MOTD, leaking stories to the press, publically taking on the owner whilst playing the fans at the same time.
Only a desperate Wigan prepared to take a punt on him speaks volumes what the fooball world thinks of him.
Gone back to Scotland where his old fella was able to pull some strings and get him somekind of job for the boys.