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Re: True socialism is the answer
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Try collectivism Sludge , that maybe preferential to full on bollocking Socialism. It's an idea but unfortunately neither will succeed . All the problems in our social and health services come from complete mismanagement. We waste so much public money it is staggering. If a political party addresses this , I would be all over it like a rash .
What do you mean try collectivism? That's what we have now. Witness the 'I am my neighbour's keeper' Welfare State we have.
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Re: True socialism is the answer
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
The Brighton bombing was the act of evil cowards
But you can't have your cake and eat it .......Thatcher was talking to the IRA
I'd suggest there's a big ****ing difference between the PM talking and a gobshite opposition backbencher doing so.
FFS, if a Tory invited a group of terrorists into HoC after a bombing targetting Labour government, you'd be yelling from the rooftops about it.
Corbyn's lies about getting involved to aid peace have been destroyed by everybody else actually involved.
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Re: True socialism is the answer
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
The trouble with your argument is that Corbyn isnt a true Socialist, he is a Trotskyist/Communist
Where do you form this opinion of him from?
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Re: True socialism is the answer
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Try collectivism Sludge , that maybe preferential to full on bollocking Socialism. It's an idea but unfortunately neither will succeed . All the problems in our social and health services come from complete mismanagement. We waste so much public money it is staggering. If a political party addresses this , I would be all over it like a rash .
The problem with most of the public services still left is that you cannot manage them as a private, profit seeking company.
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Originally Posted by
ccfc_is_my_life
I'd suggest there's a big ****ing difference between the PM talking and a gobshite opposition backbencher doing so.
FFS, if a Tory invited a group of terrorists into HoC after a bombing targetting Labour government, you'd be yelling from the rooftops about it.
Corbyn's lies about getting involved to aid peace have been destroyed by everybody else actually involved.
You sure about that now ?
And what do you think about Theresa may sucking up to the Saudis , selling them arms which are used to kill innocent people in the Yemen or end up going to ISIS , of which there are plenty of supporters in Saudi ?
As we are talking terrorist links , shall we debate the role of the current government in the middle East ?
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics.
Tony Blair pretended to be a labour politician , don't be confused by a name
The proof is in the pudding
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Re: True socialism is the answer
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
In the post war years until 1952 , we had a true socialist government under the great Clement Attlee
That's what we need to get back to , a society for all of us
Since Thatcher turned up , the free market has destroyed all sense of society and caring for people less fortunate than ourselves
Today greed , self interest rule and everything that isn't nailed down has been sold
The railways , public utilities , etc and the NHS is next
Forget may , forget Cameron , forget new labour and it's pretend caring side
The country needs someone like corbyn
If he can get rid of the hangers on , we might turn around the never ending race to the bottom and me me me culture we have seen envelop this country
Happy Christmas , especially to the poor , those sleeping on the streets and the marginalised in society
Good post, Sludge.
I'm not sure Attlee was a socialist, but he was at least a social democrat with energy, vision and determination. The post war Labour government seized the moment to transform the economic and social order and put people, respect and decency before imperialism and profiteering. It is a different world today and in some ways more difficult to bring about generational change in one country (and harder to build like Attlee than dismantle like Thatcher) but Corbyn's Labour is at least starting to dictate a lot of the political debate.
Corbyn is another traditional social democrat. Always has been - despite some of the Mail-lite rubbish posted in this thread - but that's probably what is needed just now.
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Re: True socialism is the answer
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Tony Blair pretended to be a labour politician , don't be confused by a name
The proof is in the pudding
This thread is absolute proof that people get brainwashed by the right wing media that control the views in the UK.
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Re: True socialism is the answer
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
In the post war years until 1952 , we had a true socialist government under the great Clement Attlee
That's what we need to get back to , a society for all of us
Since Thatcher turned up , the free market has destroyed all sense of society and caring for people less fortunate than ourselves
Today greed , self interest rule and everything that isn't nailed down has been sold
The railways , public utilities , etc and the NHS is next
Forget may , forget Cameron , forget new labour and it's pretend caring side
The country needs corbyn
If he can get rid of the hangers on , we might turn around the never ending race to the bottom and me me me culture we have seen envelop this country
Happy Christmas , especially to the poor , those sleeping on the streets and the marginalised in society
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In your dreams pal , just spend twenty minutes on twitter and look at the replies to gay boy Owen Jones and it is not the media that is ripping Corbyn a new one . Google Camden Council .no more to be said
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Re: True socialism is the answer
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
Good post, Sludge.
I'm not sure Attlee was a socialist, but he was at least a social democrat with energy, vision and determination. The post war Labour government seized the moment to transform the economic and social order and put people, respect and decency before imperialism and profiteering. It is a different world today and in some ways more difficult to bring about generational change in one country (and harder to build like Attlee than dismantle like Thatcher) but Corbyn's Labour is at least starting to dictate a lot of the political debate.
Corbyn is another traditional social democrat. Always has been - despite some of the Mail-lite rubbish posted in this thread - but that's probably what is needed just now.
The Tory media and the establishment are running scared of corbyn , if he can get rid of McDonald and Abbott , who are both liabilities , he has a chance
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Re: True socialism is the answer
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
In your dreams pal , just spend twenty minutes on twitter and look at the replies to gay boy Owen Jones and it is not the media that is ripping Corbyn a new one . Google Camden Council .no more to be said
Gay boy ?
Well I think that term says it all
Thanks for your input
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Re: True socialism is the answer
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
The Tory media and the establishment are running scared of corbyn , if he can get rid of McDonald and Abbott , who are both liabilities , he has a chance
I assume you mean my pal John McDonnell. Clever fellow, stop reading the Daily Mail Sludge. On the other had, Diane. Good shag but cant say much more about her.
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This is with Abbott in situ.
Labour open up eight-point lead over Conservatives in latest opinion poll - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8089156.html
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Re: True socialism is the answer
I am pretty close to the action down my way. If there was an election any time soon Labour will slaughter the Tories. The troops are on the ground ready and waiting. The Tories have nothing to offer, no ground troops, just the right wing media supporting them. Next time that will not be enough.
JEZZAAAAAAA ......................................
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[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;4815461]Gay boy ?
Well I think that term says it all
Thanks for your input
Sorry , queer arse, banging , momenentum throbbing knob jockey is what I really wanted to come out with , take that lefty
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The sindy ain't worth a wank pal , try a neutral pollster .
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[QUOTE=Rocco Siffredi;4815482]
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Gay boy ?
Well I think that term says it all
Thanks for your input
Sorry , queer arse, banging , momenentum throbbing knob jockey is what I really wanted to come out with , take that lefty
Again thanks for taking the time to show us your homophobia
It's a fact that a fair proportion of blokes who throw about such verbal abuse are in fact in the closet homosexuals
Do you play for man united , or man city ?
Do you spend a lot of time pumping iron with the other boys down the gym ?
Just a thought
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Re: True socialism is the answer
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
The sindy ain't worth a wank pal , try a neutral pollster .
Don't get het-up about Brit political parties or ideologies 'cos they all bend the knee to the most powerful ism of all, banksterism.
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Originally Posted by
Rocco Siffredi
Again thanks for taking the time to show us your homophobia
It's a fact that a fair proportion of blokes who throw about such verbal abuse are in fact in the closet homosexuals
Do you play for man united , or man city ?
Do you spend a lot of time pumping iron with the other boys down the gym ?
Just a thought
Funny ****er . You disappeared when you wires in your brain short circuited . Now the tablets have kicked in you are giving it large thank the NHS . Once the commie gets his mitts on it , god help everyone . Just treat this as a football forum and stop peddling left wing shit . Cheers
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[QUOTE=Rocco Siffredi;4815512]
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Funny ****er . You disappeared when you wires in your brain short circuited . Now the tablets have kicked in you are giving it large thank the NHS . Once the commie gets his mitts on it , god help everyone . Just treat this as a football forum and stop peddling left wing shit . Cheers
I rather think he doth protest too much my lord
Thanks for your valuable and well reasoned input
It's been most revealing
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Re: True socialism is the answer
Which countries currently come under the umbrella of 'True Socialism'?
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Re: True socialism is the answer
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Where do you form this opinion of him from?
Its blindingly obvious. Socialist Worker Party and Momentum both have very strong communist sympathies and want to overthrow the government by any means necessary. Corbyn relies on these people for support. Len Mclusky is a well known red and they are one of Labours main financial supports. Corbyns left hand man (Mcdonnell) is openly a communist idealist and wants the state to run everything. Corbyn is just a sap of these people and has been put in as a figurehead to con the British people. Oh and by the way I havent been indoctrinated by the right wing media to think this way (patronising or what ?). I made up my own mind after watching him in 'action' with his cronies. The country would go down the pan with him in charge of it.
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Re: True socialism is the answer
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
Its blindingly obvious. Socialist Worker Party and Momentum both have very strong communist sympathies and want to overthrow the government by any means necessary. Corbyn relies on these people for support. Len Mclusky is a well known red and they are one of Labours main financial supports. Corbyns left hand man (Mcdonnell) is openly a communist idealist and wants the state to run everything. Corbyn is just a sap of these people and has been put in as a figurehead to con the British people. Oh and by the way I havent been indoctrinated by the right wing media to think this way (patronising or what ?). I made up my own mind after watching him in 'action' with his cronies. The country would go down the pan with him in charge of it.
Overthrowing this sham of a government, propped up by a bunch of religious lunatics from northern Ireland would be a bloody good thing in many people's opinion
They are squabbling like kids between themselves , have a useless leader and are making a right balls up of this brexit process
Chuck em out I say
Let's see if Theresa may fancies another election ?
The last one went well for her
Strong and stable
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Re: True socialism is the answer
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Overthrowing this sham of a government, propped up by a bunch of religious lunatics from northern Ireland would be a bloody good thing in many people's opinion
They are squabbling like kids between themselves , have a useless leader and are making a right balls up of this brexit process
Chuck em out I say
Let's see if Theresa may fancies another election ?
The last one went well for her
Strong and stable
How can Labour run the country. They lost the last election and the next one isnt for 4 years. Even without DUP the Conservatives have more seats. Are you in denial, like Corbyn and Mcdonnell or do you advocate ovethrowing the elected government, like Socialist Worker does.