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Re: Manchester City under investigation for alledged financial fair play violations
If found guilty be nice if the FA stepped in and docked them points and stripped them of titles like what happened to Juventus.
Won’t happen though, wishful thinking on my part.
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CardiffIrish2
If found guilty be nice if the FA stepped in and docked them points and stripped them of titles like what happened to Juventus.
Won’t happen though, wishful thinking on my part.
Not sure that was what happened to Juventus..
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Wolfmother
Not sure that was what happened to Juventus..
Stripped of the 2004–05 title (left not assigned)
Downgraded to last place in the 2005–06 championship (title given to Inter Milan) and relegated to Serie B.
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Croesy Blue
Stripped of the 2004–05 title (left not assigned)
Downgraded to last place in the 2005–06 championship (title given to Inter Milan) and relegated to Serie B.
For fair play regulations? Thought they did some game fixing and corruption. Maybe that was later..
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Wolfmother
For fair play regulations? Thought they did some game fixing and corruption. Maybe that was later..
I’m sure that was for match fixing and nothing to do with ffp
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Wales-Bales
Michael Jackson is dead, yet you talk about him in the present tense. Your task is simple, prove statement a) above is not true because that example uses exactly the same logic. You keep talking about needing help, I think you are the one that needs it! You are more interested in derailing threads than talking about the topic!!
Suffering Jesus.
I know Michael Jackson is dead, but the allegations and investigations are current so by your logic we still have to talk about him in the present tense. Harry Monk has already explained why a) doesn't make sense, the cheating was in the past. It doesn't make sense to ask him why he still feels the need to cheat if he hasn't for 35 years. There's no reason to ask Man City why they still feel the need to cheat when there's no evidence to suggest they have since 2015 that I'm aware of. I didn't derail the thread by the way, you were the one who started talking rubbish about grammar.
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Loramski
Suffering Jesus.
I know Michael Jackson is dead, but the allegations and investigations are current so by your logic we still have to talk about him in the present tense. Harry Monk has already explained why a) doesn't make sense, the cheating was in the past. It doesn't make sense to ask him why he still feels the need to cheat if he hasn't for 35 years. There's no reason to ask Man City why they still feel the need to cheat when there's no evidence to suggest they have since 2015 that I'm aware of. I didn't derail the thread by the way, you were the one who started talking rubbish about grammar.
You have my total admiration for hanging in this thread and stating the bleeding obvious in the face of such perverse illogic and idiocy. Gluey acts more like Feedback by the day. It really is hard work! Well done anyway.
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jon1959
You have my total admiration for hanging in this thread and stating the bleeding obvious in the face of such perverse illogic and idiocy. Gluey acts more like Feedback by the day. It really is hard work! Well done anyway.
Bollocks, it's an ongoing investigation taking place in the here and now, with multiple accusations that span a time period that could include the current season. It is correct to speak about it in the present tense.
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Loramski
Suffering Jesus.
I know Michael Jackson is dead, but the allegations and investigations are current so by your logic we still have to talk about him in the present tense. Harry Monk has already explained why a) doesn't make sense, the cheating was in the past. It doesn't make sense to ask him why he still feels the need to cheat if he hasn't for 35 years. There's no reason to ask Man City why they still feel the need to cheat when there's no evidence to suggest they have since 2015 that I'm aware of. I didn't derail the thread by the way, you were the one who started talking rubbish about grammar.
God Almighty
Regarding M. Jackson (deceased), if there were ongoing investigations, then Jackson would have to be capable of committing allegded offences in the here and now for us to be able to talk about them in the present tense. Clearly he isn't capable of doing this as he is dead, so lets put that one to bed shall we?
Sombody posted in this thread that the allegations were all historical. This is bullsit, because the first two paragraphs state that there are multiple allegations regarding violations of the FFP rules. Besides the allegations about the historical transfers, there are also allegations regarding the club sponsorship, which could have occured at any point up until the present day. Anybody with basic research skills will have been able to find this out in a matter of minutes.
Also, I didn't start the thread derailment, there is another poster who trawls through posts looking for arguments in an attempt to make himself appear clever. You may recognise him from fact that doesn't seem to have many original thoughts of his own.
I hope this clears everything up, and thanks for your interest n this topic.
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Wolfmother
Don’t know why you bother... of course they will continue investigation to date if they find something. You can argue this clown for two pages, and then he suddenly has no opinion on the matter.. Only after bites...
I see what you mean, he's a total whackjob!
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Wales-Bales
God Almighty
Regarding M. Jackson (deceased), if there were ongoing investigations, then Jackson would have to be capable of committing allegded offences in the here and now for us to be able to talk about them in the present tense. Clearly he isn't capable of doing this as he is dead, so lets put that one to bed shall we?
Sombody posted in this thread that the allegations were all historical. This is bullsit, because the first two paragraphs state that there are multiple allegations regarding violations of the FFP rules. Besides the allegations about the historical transfers, there are also allegations regarding the club sponsorship, which could have occured at any point up until the present day. Anybody with basic research skills will have been able to find this out in a matter of minutes.
Also, I didn't start the thread derailment, there is another poster who trawls through posts looking for arguments in an attempt to make himself appear clever. You may recognise him from fact that doesn't seem to have many original thoughts of his own.
I hope this clears everything up, and thanks for your interest n this topic.
You're still going on with this despite everything I've said to you in the Donald Trump thread... And you're still being insulting.
I tried to be kind to you, yet you've got an impulse to prove yourself to be right all of the time, even when you've clearly made a mistake. You've even accused me of several things that you've done yourself... Such as calling me a stalker and then telling me later on that you've found out who I am. That's not 'normal' behaviour in the slightest.
Can you tell me how me saying that the investigations are for historical actions is "derailing" the thread? It's a statement that is 100% related to the topic... Since it isthe topic.
You became unnecessarily defensive and then tried to dig yourself out of a hole you'd found yourself in by trying to justify why I was wrong and you were right.
A couple of days later and you're still trying to make yourself seem better/more intelligent than everyone else, instead of just saying that you'd made a small, simple mistake like most people.
Does that sound like someone who doesn't have a problem to you... Or perhaps someone who may have BPD?
You should give yourself a self-imposed ban if you're going to be negatively affected by your interactions on here.
And for the last time... Get help!
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Heisenberg
You're still going on with this despite everything I've said to you in the Donald Trump thread... And you're still being insulting.
I tried to be kind to you, yet you've got an impulse to prove yourself to be right all of the time, even when you've clearly made a mistake. You've even accused me of several things that you've done yourself... Such as calling me a stalker and then telling me later on that you've found out who I am. That's not 'normal' behaviour in the slightest.
Can you tell me how me saying that the investigations are for historical actions is "derailing" the thread? It's a statement that is 100% related to the topic... Since it isthe topic.
You became unnecessarily defensive and then tried to dig yourself out of a hole you'd found yourself in by trying to justify why I was wrong and you were right.
A couple of days later and you're still trying to make yourself seem better/more intelligent than everyone else, instead of just saying that you'd made a small, simple mistake like most people.
Does that sound like someone who doesn't have a problem to you... Or perhaps someone who may have BPD?
You should give yourself a self-imposed ban if you're going to be negatively affected by your interactions on here.
And for the last time... Get help!
I respectfully ask that you refrain from responding to any of my future posts from this moment onwards. Anybody who claims that without any training they are able to diagnose mental illness on a football message board is somebody to be avoided in my book! :hehe:
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Wales-Bales
I respectfully ask that you refrain from responding to any of my future posts from this moment onwards. Anybody who claims that without any training they are able to diagnose mental illness on a football message board is somebody to be avoided in my book! :hehe:
Guess who's had training? Go on...
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He was posting about it during the game ffs
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Heisenberg
Guess who's had training? Go on...
You are now blocked :wave:
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I give up. I was genuinely trying to help him, but if he can't see that he's got a problem then there's no way of getting through to him.
He's not my responsibility.
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thehumblegringo
He was posting about it during the game ffs
I don't live in Cardiff, the game is not on television, what are you trying to say exactly?
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Heisenberg
I give up. I was genuinely trying to help him, but if he can't see that he's got a problem then there's no way of getting through to him.
He's not my responsibility.
Thank you Dr Heisenberg and goodbye!
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It's the first time in 22 years of posting on CCMB that I've had to put somebody on ignore.
Beware of people who dispense medical advice on football message boards without any medical training, as it requires a special kind of stupid!
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Wales-Bales
It's the first time in 22 years of posting on CCMB that I've had to put somebody on ignore.
Beware of people who dispense medical advice on football message boards without any medical training, as it requires a special kind of stupid!
Just for the record, I didn't dispense any "medical advice". That's a flat out lie. I said that you're showing many symptoms of BPD and said that there is help available for it. It's all there in black and white.
Also, the mental health training that I've had means that I'm specifically trained to look out for symptoms of any possible mental illness that may be affecting my clients. It's my f**king job to do so, as my duty of care.
I won't justify myself to you, but I won't have you spouting lies about me either, despite your issues...that's the only reason I'm responding to this.
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Heisenberg
Just for the record, I didn't dispense any "medical advice". That's a flat out lie. I said that you're showing many symptoms of BPD and said that there is help available for it. It's all there in black and white.
Also, the mental health training that I've had means that I'm specifically trained to look out for symptoms of any possible mental illness that may be affecting my clients. It's my f**king job to do so, as my duty of care.
I won't justify myself to you, but I won't have you spouting lies about me either, despite your issues...that's the only reason I'm responding to this.
“Mental health training”.. 😂 WTF.. You either have a bachelor, PhD. Or you don’t..
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Wolfmother
“Mental health training”.. WTF.. You either have a bachelor, PhD. Or you don’t..
If I had one of those, I'd be able to diagnose the problem, not just suggest that there may be a problem and know where to signpost for support :facepalm:
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Heisenberg
If I had one of those, I'd be able to diagnose the problem, not just suggest that there may be a problem and know where to signpost for support :facepalm:
I have one of those. And it is my clear advice, stay away from the topic! 😂 And no, you can not diagnose with a bachelor. Not really with a PhD either. Uasually we put together a “staff” of both looking at symptoms from all angels. So, leave it 😉
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Heisenberg
What are you doing? You already had the last word and I left you to it, rather than possibly exacerbating things for you... but you can't help yourself. Which is why it's clear that there is an underlying issue there. I'm not saying this as just someone on the internet, but as someone who has worked alongside CPNs, psychiatrists, mental health social workers and other mental health professionals in supporting vulnerable people who have been diagnosed with mental health problems. You show all of the signs of a personality disorder and working with someone professionally can help you.
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Wolfmother
“Mental health training”.. �� WTF.. You either have a bachelor, PhD. Or you don’t..
He did alledegly sit next to somebody who had one, so I don't know if that counts as being qualified or not? I don't think much of his diagnosis skills though, maybe he needs to sit a bit closer :biggrin:
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Wolfmother
I have one of those. And it is my clear advice, stay away from the topic! And no, you can not diagnose with a bachelor. Not really with a PhD either. Uasually we put together a “staff” of both looking at symptoms from all angels. So, leave it
:hehe: You can't diagnose with a PhD... what?! Either you've completely misunderstood my point (that if I had a doctorate in the field then I'd be qualified to diagnose medical problems) - or you're just being wrong for the sake of it.
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Wales-Bales
He did alledegly sit next to somebody who had one, so I don't know if that counts as being qualified or not? I don't think much of his diagnosis skills though, maybe he needs to sit a bit closer :biggrin:
You're really not helping yourself.
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Heisenberg
:hehe: You can't diagnose with a PhD... what?! Either you've completely misunderstood my point (that if I had a doctorate in the field then I'd be qualified to diagnose medical problems) - or you're just being wrong for the sake of it.
You can with somatic. Not regarding mental health. I used to work in the field 15 years ago. Maybe rules changed, and maybe Wales operate within their own boundaries.. You would know, with “mental health training”, and all 😂
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Wolfmother
You can with somatic. Not regarding mental health. I used to work in the field 15 years ago. Maybe rules changed, and maybe Wales operate within their own boundaries.. You would know, with “mental health training”, and all
A PhD in one of the 'psych' fields wouldn't qualify you to be able to diagnose mental health conditions?! If you worked in the field, how can you say that? Even GP's are qualified to diagnose 'minor' mental health conditions like depression and anxiety.
Mock me all you want. I've learned a lot from years of training and have helped hundreds of people across Cardiff and South Wales that have mental health problems.
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Heisenberg
A PhD in one of the 'psych' fields wouldn't qualify you to be able to diagnose mental health conditions?! If you worked in the field, how can you say that? Even GP's are qualified to diagnose 'minor' mental health conditions like depression and anxiety.
Mock me all you want. I've learned a lot from years of training and have helped hundreds of people across Cardiff and South Wales that have mental health problems.
Yes, maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about anymore.. It was a long time ago.. Depression and anxiety is treatable by symptoms and really don’t need a diagnostics review. Don’t know. But we where never less than four or five people going through diagnostics charts and symptoms reviewed over time. Symptoms of mental illness is common amongst everyone. But to fill a diagnosis you have to fill a certain procentage of the chart over time..
Helping people is a good thing. Throwing out diagnostics with “mental health training”, what ever that is, is another. I’m sure you are doing a fine job!
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Wolfmother
Yes, maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about anymore.. It was a long time ago.. Depression and anxiety is treatable by symptoms and really don’t need a diagnostics review. Don’t know. But we where never less than four or five people going through diagnostics charts and symptoms reviewed over time. Symptoms of mental illness is common amongst everyone. But to fill a diagnosis you have to fill a certain procentage of the chart over time..
Helping people is a good thing. Throwing out diagnostics with “mental health training”, what ever that is, is another. I’m sure you are doing a fine job!
I wasn't throwing out a diagnosis as that is finite. Imagine you started feeling dehydrated all of the time, started urinating far more frequently and had feelings of sudden tiredness - if I said to you "with those symptoms, it sounds like you may have diabetes", that wouldn't be a diagnosis - it's just a suggestion that you may want to explore the option that it could be.
You keep going on about mental health training as if I got a certificate from collecting crisp packets - but it's specific training on symptoms of mental health conditions. Because of this useless training, many of my clients were eventually diagnosed (by qualified professionals) for mental health conditions (some of them as severe as paranoid schizophrenia) that had been missed for decades, because they had fallen through the gaps in society and people just thought that they were a bit weird.
Due to knowing what symptoms to look out for, I was able to support them to get the professional help that they needed. Also, because of their diagnoses, they were able to access the right welfare benefits to support them to live independently... which would have been instantly turned down previously.
I'm proud of my achievements, thank you.