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Re: Cardiff City a big club?
The club and its support is completely different from the 80s. Im pretty sure we were getting 5000 crowds last season there in the 80s.
The club is all set up for PL football now.
Love the Championship but the PL should be the aim.
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Re: Cardiff City a big club?
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The Lone Gunman
What were Liverpool before Shankly? Well, the season before he took over in 1959, they were the eighth biggest club in the country in terms of attendances despite being in the Second Division. Indeed, during the two previous seasons they had the fifth highest attendances in the country despite being in the Second Division. If you know your football history, you'll know that Liverpool were a big club before Shankly, and a bigger club after Shankly.
As for Leeds, they really were struggling before Revie and had never been a big club until he bribed the opposition.
FYP
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valleys caveman
I think so.
Averaging 31,000 while being in the bottom 3 for most of the season. Not bad is it?
Our crowds have gone from 16,564 in 2016/17 to 31,413 this year.
What sort of crowds would we attract if we were challenging for a European spot?
I wonder where this arrogance come from.
Cardiff City. Two seasons of top flight football in 57 years, both ending in relegation. Crowds of 12,000 in the latter stages of a promotion campaign just 12 months ago. One season with an average of 31,000 and suddenly the club is as big as Premier League champions before last Leicester City.
Cardiff City, shirt sponsorship a negligible amount, from a company that exists, but doesn't pay anything. A sponsorship that brings in £1m less a year than Bournemouth, and Leicester. It is £2m less than that small club Burnley, and little old Wolves have a sponsorship deal that is more than 3 times that of Cardiff.
Cardiff are as "big" as the other 23 teams in the Championship next season. They are smaller than the 20 teams in the Premier League, and if you will insist on using one season of day trippers as sign of the club being big, then I look forward to you accepting arguments of the club being small when their crowds are hitting 12,000 the season after next.
Big clubs don't have to rebrand.
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CCFCC3PO
I wonder where this arrogance come from.
Cardiff City. Two seasons of top flight football in 57 years, both ending in relegation. Crowds of 12,000 in the latter stages of a promotion campaign just 12 months ago. One season with an average of 31,000 and suddenly the club is as big as Premier League champions before last Leicester City.
Cardiff City, shirt sponsorship a negligible amount, from a company that exists, but doesn't pay anything. A sponsorship that brings in £1m less a year than Bournemouth, and Leicester. It is £2m less than that small club Burnley, and little old Wolves have a sponsorship deal that is more than 3 times that of Cardiff.
Cardiff are as "big" as the other 23 teams in the Championship next season. They are smaller than the 20 teams in the Premier League, and if you will insist on using one season of day trippers as sign of the club being big, then I look forward to you accepting arguments of the club being small when their crowds are hitting 12,000 the season after next.
Big clubs don't have to rebrand.
Someones lost it again.
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goats
I didn’t include the valleys, just places within say 10/12 miles of the stadium. Still a huge amount of people who don’t follow us yet.
I would include the population from an easy hours drive from Cardiff, so the valleys to Neath to Abergavenny. The further away from the epicentre the less direct support we will get.
When I was in LA to see the Dodgers in the semi finals of the world series, there were fans from well over 200 miles away as the Dodgers were their local teams.
I know Americans are used to travelling great distances, but similar will happen with Cardiff if we stay in the Premier League.
I hate the term, but we become the franchise Premier team for the region and the longer relative success remains the greater support we will retain.
Wales and the West Country are so bad at football, that any relative success will be welcomed by those who don't live or support the likes of Swansea or Bristol.
Compare Man City and United and the North West.
The majority of us were wanting Wrexham to get through the National League final to hopefully get into the old 4th Division.
Today Fylde are playing Salford!!!
Newport drew 1-1 at home to Mansfield. How many teams are in Mansfield's region. The winner of that tie will play Tranmere or Forest Green.
Forest Green is tiny, but get fans from around that area and that happens at that level.
If City had a sustained period in the Premier League, then for a lot of people we would become 'their' Premier League team.
We could comfortably average 45 to 50,000 attendances at that stage.
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We're a decent sized club with a fair bit of potential to grow into
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JDerrida
I would include the population from an easy hours drive from Cardiff, so the valleys to Neath to Abergavenny. The further away from the epicentre the less direct support we will get.
When I was in LA to see the Dodgers in the semi finals of the world series, there were fans from well over 200 miles away as the Dodgers were their local teams.
I know Americans are used to travelling great distances, but similar will happen with Cardiff if we stay in the Premier League.
I hate the term, but we become the franchise Premier team for the region and the longer relative success remains the greater support we will retain.
Wales and the West Country are so bad at football, that any relative success will be welcomed by those who don't live or support the likes of Swansea or Bristol.
Compare Man City and United and the North West.
The majority of us were wanting Wrexham to get through the National League final to hopefully get into the old 4th Division.
Today Fylde are playing Salford!!!
Newport drew 1-1 at home to Mansfield. How many teams are in Mansfield's region. The winner of that tie will play Tranmere or Forest Green.
Forest Green is tiny, but get fans from around that area and that happens at that level.
If City had a sustained period in the Premier League, then for a lot of people we would become 'their' Premier League team.
We could comfortably average 45 to 50,000 attendances at that stage.
A flaw in your thinking, if I may be so bold, is that there are often hundreds of miles between American sporting teams but a radius 200 miles from Cardiff would include a multitude of other football teams, including those in London and the Midlands! Going to see one's nearest club is a different kettle of fish here altogether.
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Not really making any original points here, but I agree that its hard to define what constitutes a big club. The biggest clubs tend to be the most successful, as that's who the plastics gravitate towards. The odd team/area stands out as keeping crowds during the bad times. Sunderland averaged about 31k this season, Newcastle kept crowds during their relegations. The Sheffield teams also seem to keep a large following. Cardiff certainly aren't a 'big club' in the same way as those kind of teams are. But like most teams, with a bit of success I'm sure we'll continue to grow. As for the catchment area argument, that's absolute rubbish. There are numerous other sides within that 'catchment area' for a start. Secondly, many in south Wales seem to just turn up for big events, or choose to be plastics and support utd, arsenal etc.
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Interestingly as it stands we'll have the 6th biggest stadium in the league next season, 5th if one of Villa, Leeds or Derby win the playoffs
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City123
Interestingly as it stands we'll have the 6th biggest stadium in the league next season, 5th if one of Villa, Leeds or Derby win the playoffs
And seats in Bristol City's colours.....
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Taunton Blue Genie
And seats in Bristol City's colours.....
Wales' colours :thumbup:
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Taunton Blue Genie
A flaw in your thinking, if I may be so bold, is that there are often hundreds of miles between American sporting teams but a radius 200 miles from Cardiff would include a multitude of other football teams, including those in London and the Midlands! Going to see one's nearest club is a different kettle of fish here altogether.
Maybe I didn't make it clear that I was using the LA scenario as an example and that Cardiff could become OUR region's team, not just the city of Cardiff and the immediate surrounding areas.
Regions who are devoid of Premier League or even Championship teams, may support a relatively local team in those leagues if they want their higher quality football fix.
If Bristol City got to the Premier League then surely they would have a huge catchment area, as there is very little high end football in the region.
Same applies to Cardiff.
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If Bristol City got to the Premier League then surely they would have a huge catchment area, as there is very little high end football in the region.
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chrisp_1927
Not really making any original points here, but I agree that its hard to define what constitutes a big club. The biggest clubs tend to be the most successful, as that's who the plastics gravitate towards. The odd team/area stands out as keeping crowds during the bad times. Sunderland averaged about 31k this season, Newcastle kept crowds during their relegations. The Sheffield teams also seem to keep a large following. Cardiff certainly aren't a 'big club' in the same way as those kind of teams are. But like most teams, with a bit of success I'm sure we'll continue to grow. As for the catchment area argument, that's absolute rubbish. There are numerous other sides within that 'catchment area' for a start. Secondly, many in south Wales seem to just turn up for big events, or choose to be plastics and support utd, arsenal etc.
Wasn’t so long ago Chelsea and Newcastle had crowds of 10,000 odd in the championship as it was. Both established as big now? Are Leicester and saints big? Watford and Burnely?
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goats
Wasn’t so long ago Chelsea and Newcastle had crowds of 10,000 odd in the championship as it was. Both established as big now? Are Leicester and saints big? Watford and Burnely?
A few years back I was at St James Park for a couple of games in Division 2, Millwall & Notts County, I’m sure the gates were around 8,000 & 12,000 respectively.
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goats
Wasn’t so long ago Chelsea and Newcastle had crowds of 10,000 odd in the championship as it was.
It was a very long time ago. The 1982/83 season in Chelsea's case. 1980/81 in Newcastle's case, although the crowds never got quite as low as 10,000.
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splott parker
A few years back I was at St James Park for a couple of games in Division 2, Millwall & Notts County, I’m sure the gates were around 8,000 & 12,000 respectively.
When are we talking Steve? Eighties? Seventies? I've got one of their records books here. I can have a look for you.
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The Lone Gunman
When are we talking Steve? Eighties? Seventies? I've got one of their records books here. I can have a look for you.
Cheers Dave, have a look for us, I’m sure a Kevin Bartlett scored a couple in the Notts Co win if memory serves me right. I know they were smallish crowds but, Jeez my memory is going some here, I’m certain it was around 3rd Cup time and they played Derby at home around the same time before about 30 odd thousand and I was amazed at the League/Cup attendances discrepancy. Have a look and put me out of my misery👍
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splott parker
Cheers Dave, have a look for us, I’m sure a Kevin Bartlett scored a couple in the Notts Co win if memory serves me right. I know they were smallish crowds but, Jeez my memory is going some here, I’m certain it was around 3rd Cup time and they played Derby at home around the same time before about 30 odd thousand and I was amazed at the League/Cup attendances discrepancy. Have a look and put me out of my misery👍
Early 90s, 👍
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goats
Wasn’t so long ago Chelsea and Newcastle had crowds of 10,000 odd in the championship as it was. Both established as big now? Are Leicester and saints big? Watford and Burnely?
Chelsea averaged 12,700 in Div 2 in 82/83, were promoted as Champions the following season and have spent one season at Championship level in the 35 seasons since, during which they were also promoted as Champions.
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splott parker
Early 90s, 👍
Just found a couple of their attendances at that time through Google, The one season their lowest was against Crewe (9,000), the season after was 10,000 against Oxford, average was around 16,000.
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splott parker
Cheers Dave, have a look for us, I’m sure a Kevin Bartlett scored a couple in the Notts Co win if memory serves me right. I know they were smallish crowds but, Jeez my memory is going some here, I’m certain it was around 3rd Cup time and they played Derby at home around the same time before about 30 odd thousand and I was amazed at the League/Cup attendances discrepancy. Have a look and put me out of my misery
This is the 1990/91 season in the old Division Two.
The crowd for their game against Millwall was 23,922. Teddy Sheringham scored Millwall's winner in a 2-1 win for the Lions.
The crowd for the Notts County games was 17,557. County won 2-0 and Kevin Bartlett scored their first. The second was a 90th minute penalty, so maybe he also had a hand in that.
The crowd for the Derby FA Cup tie was 19,748. They had a crowd of 29,231 in the next round against Forest.
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splott parker
Just found a couple of their attendances at that time through Google, The one season their lowest was against Crewe (9,000), the season after was 10,000 against Oxford, average was around 16,000.
What season was the Crewe game? I guessing that was a cup tie as Crewe were in Divisions 3 and 4 at the time.
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I think if the point of the exercise is to proof that Chelsea's attendances have not always been at "top six" level, this is as good a season as any to use - it's 91/92 when they were in the old First Division.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991%E...ea_F.C._season
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The Lone Gunman
What season was the Crewe game? I guessing that was a cup tie as Crewe were in Divisions 3 and 4 at the time.
The Crewe match was a League Cup game, looks like the Oxford game was in the league. Some wild swings though, obviously Sunderland attracted a 30,000 crowd & even Forest had 29,000 there. These helped the average but they did finish the season in 20th place, avoiding relegation in the last day. Christ they were in dire straights then under Ardiles, Keegan came in in the February, Oz came home from Germany and the club were rescued. In those days when crowds were generally down, I wonder what would have happened to them had they’d been relegated? The Keegan era definitely galvanised the club. They did seem a step away from crisis under John Hall but Keegan was his master stroke, his charisma galvanised the region, enticed the fans back and attendance wise they’ve never looked back even though they seem in eternal conflict with the Ashley regime. They seem to pulled it off with the fans being in the habit of going regardless of their discontent. They’ve a lot to thank Keegan's gung ho enthusiasm for.
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The Lone Gunman
It was a very long time ago. The 1982/83 season in Chelsea's case. 1980/81 in Newcastle's case, although the crowds never got quite as low as 10,000.
Chelsea in the 80’s were rife with hooligans and yo yo ing back and for too