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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
OurManFlint II
I think its best to let a bunch of white guys define racism and how it doesn't exist. :biggrin:
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Originally Posted by
ToTaL ITK
complete and utter rubbish you sheep shagger :thumbup:
I am reporting you to your boss
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Starting threads like this and the one about Stormzy, then constantly trying to defend the fact that you're not racist and institutions in this country aren't racist, claiming that it's just people disagreeing with the opposite standpoint and playing the race card... That makes you look racially insensitive at the very least.
None of us know if you're racist or not, but you're not helping yourself with the messages you're sending on here.
Is it racist to say I don't like that Stormzy fella he is awfully loud ,and his music makes my nose bleed as well.
Much prefer a bit of Max Bygraves, and a Bourbon Biscuit dipped into my tea.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Is it racist to say I don't like that Stormzy fella he is awfully loud ,and his music makes my nose bleed as well.
Much prefer a bit of Max Bygraves, and a Bourbon Biscuit dipped into my tea.
Obviously not... saying sarcastic things like that don't help the conversation either.
If you want to know what racism is... It was racist of you to to define "ethnic people" as not being "natural born UK citizens".
Maybe you can think about that while you're having your tea and biscuits.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Wash DC Blue
An assertion that a person of colour should be a certain way, think a certain way and adhere to stereotypes or they are an Uncle Tom....is racist.
I beg to differ
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Camilla didn't get anything like this.
Camilla and Charles faced a helluva lot of bad press when they got together, which is understandable given Diana's popularity. However they rose above it, didn't answer their detractors and just got on with it. As a result she is now a far more popular addition to the royal family than was deemed possible when they first got married.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Starting threads like this and the one about Stormzy, then constantly trying to defend the fact that you're not racist and institutions in this country aren't racist, claiming that it's just people disagreeing with the opposite standpoint and playing the race card... That makes you look racially insensitive at the very least.
None of us know if you're racist or not, but you're not helping yourself with the messages you're sending on here.
I have started many threads on this MB (32 according to the search function), usually initiated because I cannot believe what I am reading in the press or hearing on TV/radio.
Several times I have used the phrase "I don't believe it" after one of my favourite fictional characters, Victor Meldrew. It just so happens that in the two threads you mention here the people involved are people of colour but the comments I made were nothing to do with their colour as you well know but choose to ignore. In the case of Stormzy, I dislike rap, don't consider it to be music, and was surprised to see that he was lauded the way he was at Glastonbury. If he were white then my opinions would have been exactly the same! I won't repeat myself here about Meghan Markel, as it has all been said - you are free to have your opinion of my thoughts as I have of yours.
My posts are usually connected to Political Correctness, the absurdities of life or situations akin to the story of the Emperors New Clothes. Some recent examples are the Chris Brown’s clothes sale, the lack of a “Do not lean out of the carriage window” sign to blame for railway worker’s death, road tax evasion after scrapping the old tax disc system jumps to £100 million (surprise, surprise), and woman shoots boyfriend to increase their social media following.
My other favourite “I don’t believe it” moments include: people who complain about the cost of replica football shirts (don’t buy them then), the cost of beer at the CCS (don’t buy it then), people who spend £100+ to have the latest trainers, and people who spend thousands on curved screen TVs where you can’t see the picture unless you sit within a certain narrow arc!
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
This thread is about Meghan Markle. I didn't realise she had suffered all those things you mention.
Actually the first paragraph in the thread is you complaining about people "playing the race card" - all those things he mentioned are the reasons why "the race card" as PC GONE MAD'ers like you like to call it, is actually a thing that exists
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Why not? As Lardy said its a lot do with personality. Besides, to look at Meghan you couldnt even tell she has black heritage.
After 2 attempts you still didn't answer my question.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
It’s amazing how the thoughts of an OP can become twisted by others as a thread progresses. Also it is noticeable that people who reply often ignore certain posts by the OP because they do not fit with their ideology.
The title of this thread is: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently.
Let us recap:
There was a lady in the QT audience last night who made the statement to this effect, not me. It turns out she is a university lecturer and a race and ethnicity researcher according to the BBC news website. This was her opinion, which obviously differed from the actor guy on the panel.
What no-one has mentioned yet in this thread is that there was a black lady in the audience and she said in her opinion, the treatment of Meghan Markel was not racist.
Is this a classic case of someone being offended on behalf of someone else?
Let me repeat my statements:
Whatever my feelings about Meghan Markel are, they have nothing whatsoever to do with her colour. So if I make only positive comments about her that's fine? But if I criticise her for anything then it must be because she is of mixed race?
This thread is specifically about Meghan Markel not people of colour in general. So compared to her, am I privileged, yes or no?
I have no opinion one way or the other about Harry and Meghan. I have no problem with whatever colour she is. All we can do as outsiders is simply look at her character and behaviour. If I say Meghan is behaving like a petulant teenager, is that ok or is that racist then? If I say good luck to her, let her make her own life with Harry, is that ok or is that racist?
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
Actually the first paragraph in the thread is you complaining about people "playing the race card" - all those things he mentioned are the reasons why "the race card" as PC GONE MAD'ers like you like to call it, is actually a thing that exists
Sorry to play the cracked record, but this thread is about Meghan Markel. I do not deny that all those things listed are things which ordinary people of colour might suffer from. The lady in the audience claimed that criticism of Meghan Markel arises from racist thinking. The actor guy challenged that. I did not hear any evidence that racism was behind the hounding, only opinions. I do not read any of the tabloid newspapers so I may have missed it.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
Sorry to play the cracked record, but this thread is about Meghan Markel. I do not deny that all those things listed are things which ordinary people of colour might suffer from. The lady in the audience claimed that criticism of Meghan Markel arises from racist thinking. The actor guy challenged that. I did not hear any evidence that racism was behind the hounding, only opinions. I do not read any of the tabloid newspapers so I may have missed it.
Do you believe that the press and government and the establishment are free of racism?
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Do you believe that the press and government and the establishment are free of racism?
I would like to say in this day and age yes, but I cannot be sure of course. We still have blokes making monkey noises at football matches in the UK for heavens sake, which I simply cannot fathom.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
I would like to say in this day and age yes, but I cannot be sure of course.
I’ll give you some advice mate, they 100% aren’t.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
She just doesn’t want to live the royal life now it would seem, don’t really blame her, she’d rather live back the other side of the Atlantic.
Tough one for Harry, but reckon he’s always wanted to F off and go and live in a Canadian mountain lodge in the rockies somewhere anyway...he clearly hates the tabloids.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
goats
She just doesn’t want to live the royal life now it would seem, don’t really blame her, she’d rather live back the other side of the Atlantic.
Tough one for Harry, but reckon he’s always wanted to F off and go and live in a Canadian mountain lodge in the rockies somewhere anyway...he clearly hates the tabloids.
After what happened to his mum when he was 11 or 12, who can blame him? Imagine what it must be like for him seeing it all start to happen again with his wife.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
Did anyone watch Question Time last night? I wonder is anyone else getting tired of hearing people using the race card when they disagree with someone. Here is the clip from last night:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-511...sh-over-meghan
Like the actor guy, I am a white male although I would not classify myself as particularly priviliged other than being so grateful for good health in my advanced years! Whatever my feelings about Meghan Markel are, they have nothing whatsoever to do with her colour. I guess if I make only positive comments about her that's fine, but if I criticise her for anything then it must be because she is of mixed race. PC gone mad again.
Yes, everyone is getting tired of it, but the way out of that is to recognise why people are talking about it and what we can do to improve things. It doesn't mean agreeing with everything, but it does means listening rather than shutting down the conversation or denying people's experience. So the question should be whether Laurence Fox is listening to what's being said or saying he doesn't need to for whatever reason.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Eric the Half a Bee
After 2 attempts you still didn't answer my question.
A hypothetical question with not just one “if”, but two “ifs” in it. That question? :hehe:
And if you really want an answer I don’t think it would matter. The media and public seem to like Kate for her personality. She plays it safe. She received some criticsm early doors I seem to recall but she seems to have won them over. The Royals are always there to be shot at regardless of skin tone.
Clearly there are elements of racism in some cases in the right wing media, I just don’t think there is in this particular case. It’s not like she’s copping it and he isn’t. He’s getting pelters too.
She’s perhaps getting it more as her own “family” seem hell bent on washing their dirty washing in the tabloids for their own financial gain.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Isn't it mad everyone knows this about her and has such stong opinions?
David Beckham has cheated on his wife multiple times but is a national treasure :hehe:
Who with?
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
It's well known and I actually know someone who's shagged him.
But it goes for loads of celebs, loads of people have been divorced/cheated and don't get the targetted abuse she does.
The thing that shocks me is quite how many people care and have a strong opinion on this.
If its so well known you can name them can you?
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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J R Hartley
Because at the time he was rumoured to be having an affair with her we didnt have the media platforms that we have now and Joe Public couldnt vent their spleen to thousands online.
She was the "villain" for a very long time. Especially when he was still married to Diana as she was the media darling.
An additional facet of their relationship was that a lot of people realised they had been very close/possibly lovers long before Di appeared, and she was told to back off. It was her he wanted all along
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Igoverner was giving us the definition of a word in order to say it doesn't mean something over here.
I could put up the definition of the Oxford dictionary definition of the word 'monkey' and say it isn't racist... But I think the majority of people would agree that if you called a black person that word then it would be racist due to it's connotations.
Uppity means the same in the US as it does here but the connotations of it being linked with racism are obviously much stronger over there.
They may be much stronger over there, but that’s because it simply doesn’t mean the same thing over here. What’s so difficult to understand about that?
It’s a moot point. Grasping at straws reaches new levels on this board regularly.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Dave Blue
Perhaps it’s not all down to racism but it is a hugely significant factor with the right wing press and their vile readers.
Why are people who read the right wing press automatically vile? Why do people always seem to have to politicise everything?
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
I think she is way more privilaged than me or my wife.
she married him and immediately had a house and residency status in UK which she wasn't entitled to.
The law states that if a Brit marries a foreigner he has to be married to her for at least 2 years before she can apply for a visa to live in UK, and he has to complete lots of forms and give absolute proof of income/wealth and pay a deposit for medical care before the visa application can even be considered.
that law applies to them as much ax it does to you or me but it was completely forgotten, whereas I had to do all these things and spend thousands of pounds in order to acheive the same thing.
yes she is privilaged. Do you think it would have helped me not do all this if my wife was black?
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
Are you serious? Uppity has a long history of being used as in a racist way. There is a long history of this.
Where is this history chronicled?
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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xsnaggle
Who with?
Rebecca Loos for one.
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
Gofer Blue
Sorry to play the cracked record, but this thread is about Meghan Markel. I do not deny that all those things listed are things which ordinary people of colour might suffer from. The lady in the audience claimed that criticism of Meghan Markel arises from racist thinking. The actor guy challenged that. I did not hear any evidence that racism was behind the hounding, only opinions. I do not read any of the tabloid newspapers so I may have missed it.
No, you've changed it now to being specifically about Meghan Markle, whereas before you raised the point about her, and a more general point about, in your own words, in the very first paragraph of the thread :
"I wonder is anyone else getting tired of hearing people using the race card when they disagree with someone?"
It's been pointed out multiple times in this thread that there are very valid reasons for people "playing the race card" and it's not "PC gone mad" and you've now changed your tune to "I was only talking about Meghan Markle"
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
No, you've changed it now to being specifically about Meghan Markle, whereas before you raised the point about her, and a more general point about, in your own words, in the very first paragraph of the thread :
"I wonder is anyone else getting tired of hearing people using the race card when they disagree with someone?"
It's been pointed out multiple times in this thread that there are very valid reasons for people "playing the race card" and it's not "PC gone mad" and you've now changed your tune to "I was only talking about Meghan Markle"
Pointed out by who? Experts? Or 2 bit nobody’s on a football MB?
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
Pointed out by who? Experts? Or 2 bit nobody’s on a football MB?
The people that he invited to have a conversation about it with him :shrug:
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Re: Hounding of Meghan Markel by British tabloid press is racist apparently
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
The people that he invited to have a conversation about it with him :shrug:
Yes. But your saying “it’s been pointed out” as if certain posters opinions are gospel.