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According to YouGov....
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/02/23/british-people-view-soc ialism-more-favourably-capi/
most of the UK's resources are now owned by pension funds, hedge funds and other such financial institutions. anyone who has a pension or any type of insurance policy has a stake in the UK and its resources. insurance is about as socialist as you can get - collective sharing or risk between millions of peopleOriginally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee wrote on Tue, 23 February 2016 22:15
Only half the story, there is a class of people wedged in the middle with their fingers in all the pies.According to YouGov....
if they were more keep on socialism than capitalism, why did they vote the king capitalists into government?
Cos there was not a mainstream socialist option on the ballot paper. Hence the electorate abstaining in their droves
Archie - do you think the current offering is a mainstream socialist option.
If people didnt vote for Milliband Socialist Soft (Egg and chips) do you reckon they will vote for Socialist Hard (Double Egg and chips)
As for will people vote for him, no idea. I know a lot of people that have not voted for years are now considering voting Labour, but whether that will be enough to get him elected is another matter.
To have any hope in 2020 he needs to go - quickly.Archie - do you think the current offering is a mainstream socialist option.
We will just have to disagree on that one. . We now finally have an alternative. Going back to the Blair years will simply mean same shit as we have now.Archie - do you think the current offering is a mainstream socialist option.If people didnt vote for Milliband Socialist Soft (Egg and chips) do you reckon they will vote for Socialist Hard (Double Egg and chips)
He's not going to lose them to the Tories, that's for sure. I have a sneaky feeling the Tories will implode again, giving Corbyn an open door.Archie - do you think the current offering is a mainstream socialist option.If people didnt vote for Milliband Socialist Soft (Egg and chips) do you reckon they will vote for Socialist Hard (Double Egg and chips)
If Corbyn remains leader then Labour will be no more than a party of protest, organising protest marches and sounding off on social media.Archie - do you think the current offering is a mainstream socialist option.If people didnt vote for Milliband Socialist Soft (Egg and chips) do you reckon they will vote for Socialist Hard (Double Egg and chips)The thing is, if you look at things objectively, there was very little in Miliband's policies that could be classed as socialist, and Corbyn is only moderately left wing. We have got so used to right wing politics in this country a slight move to the left is considered radical.
EU. That'll get divisions going in the Tories. There are already issues with some of the cuts the party is trying to impose on the worst off in society from some more moderate Conservatives. Throw Cameron finishing as leader into the mix and the rabid Tories after the top job and it's a mix for bitter in fighting.Archie - do you think the current offering is a mainstream socialist option.If people didnt vote for Milliband Socialist Soft (Egg and chips) do you reckon they will vote for Socialist Hard (Double Egg and chips)The thing is, if you look at things objectively, there was very little in Miliband's policies that could be classed as socialist, and Corbyn is only moderately left wing. We have got so used to right wing politics in this country a slight move to the left is considered radical.As for will people vote for him, no idea. I know a lot of people that have not voted for years are now considering voting Labour, but whether that will be enough to get him elected is another matter.
As for social media - you'd be wrong to write off the most rapidly expanding form of mediaArchie - do you think the current offering is a mainstream socialist option.If people didnt vote for Milliband Socialist Soft (Egg and chips) do you reckon they will vote for Socialist Hard (Double Egg and chips)The thing is, if you look at things objectively, there was very little in Miliband's policies that could be classed as socialist, and Corbyn is only moderately left wing. We have got so used to right wing politics in this country a slight move to the left is considered radical.As for will people vote for him, no idea. I know a lot of people that have not voted for years are now considering voting Labour, but whether that will be enough to get him elected is another matter.
He's a decent chap and a very effective backbencher and that's where he needs to return for the long term good of the party.Archie - do you think the current offering is a mainstream socialist option.If people didnt vote for Milliband Socialist Soft (Egg and chips) do you reckon they will vote for Socialist Hard (Double Egg and chips)The thing is, if you look at things objectively, there was very little in Miliband's policies that could be classed as socialist, and Corbyn is only moderately left wing. We have got so used to right wing politics in this country a slight move to the left is considered radical.As for will people vote for him, no idea. I know a lot of people that have not voted for years are now considering voting Labour, but whether that will be enough to get him elected is another matter.Sadly not Archie as for all the new voters he attracts he's losing many more from the middle/soft left.
@Claude blue
Welcome back to the best left wing poster on this forum.
Cameron?
Britain is much more presidential these days and how the party leader is perceived by the electorate is crucial to a party's success at the ballot box.The electorate demand that a party leader leads and shows decisiveness, gravitas and the ability to express his beliefs coherently.Cameron?
But what would be the point in replacing Corbyn with someone who will simply continue along the same route as Blair and Milliband steadily moving ever more to the right, giving the electorate no real choice come the next election. I want to see Labour back in power, but I want it to be proper Labour, or as near as we can get to it.The electorate demand that a party leader leads and shows decisiveness, gravitas and the ability to express his beliefs coherently.Cameron?
It is actually very deniable that he knocks spots off Corbyn. Corbyn is the most level headed and clear minded leader I have seen in my life time. Granted he does not lower himself to childish punch and Judy nonsense but if calling your opponent names and criticizing dress sense is the measure of a good leader these days we are all well and truly ****ed.The electorate demand that a party leader leads and shows decisiveness, gravitas and the ability to express his beliefs coherently.Cameron?
I personally don't think how Corbyn wears his suit (or should he happen to eat a bacon sandwich, how he eats that) has any relevant on his politics, however as CB has stated, the UK is becoming more presidential, and for that, any party who has ambitions of power requires a slick operator at the helm.The electorate demand that a party leader leads and shows decisiveness, gravitas and the ability to express his beliefs coherently.Cameron?Personally I can't stand the man but he leads a party with very differing views, particularly over the EU and the electorate rated him above Miliband at the GE last year.
Corbyn is stymied by his past utterances. A lot of his principled beliefs do not sit well with the great British public and are regularly misinterpreted by our predominantly right of centre media.The electorate demand that a party leader leads and shows decisiveness, gravitas and the ability to express his beliefs coherently.Cameron?Personally I can't stand the man but he leads a party with very differing views, particularly over the EU and the electorate rated him above Miliband at the GE last year.
When push comes to shove - for General elections - whether someone is Prime Ministerial or not comes into play.
Which is why we have never had a 'Ginger' PM or for that matter one with a Bristolian or Cornish accent. Right or wrongly (wrongly in my opinion), people vote with their ears and their eyes as well as their head. If you remember back to the Kinnock election - he started to dress like a PM, always smart and always in a suit when it mattered.
I dont think Corbyn will lead Labour into the next election personally. Jezza is just the stalking horse for Watson or possibly Kinnock Jnr.
The days of new Labour, Chuka Umuna and those sort of politicians are well in background now, especially as Unite seems to be hand picking who goes where.
If anyone was taking Jimmy seriously, you can stop doing so at this point
Try reading his posts as 'Frank Gallagher', he's almost on "our" side, the bloody liberal!@Claude blue
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