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No evidence then?
A lot of us were talking about this long before Ched Evans site was up and still saying the conviction was dodgy.
The jury system is not infallible. One strong head and 11 meeks, you end up getting one persons verdict.
If he is cleared on appeal then clearly that would mean that additional or different aspects have come to light since the trial and (obviously) his guilt would be overturned.
At that point he should be considered innocent.
By the same token, he is currently considered guilty.
The law is far from perfect, and is often altogether too black & white - i.e. 'totally guilty vs. completely absolved' - with very few shades in between.
Currently the law says that he is guilty.
Sounds like you think what he did was fine then?Originally Posted by Richyrich wrote on Mon, 05 January 2015 23:20
The victim has had to change her identity 5 times due to death threats too, the whole case has been shocking.
From footage I've seen, she was sober enough to go back outside to pick up the pizza, and the person I understand to be Evans, appeared to be " with" the woman ?But hey, what do I know !oh feck.
"The complainant had no recollection of anything which took place after 3am. That extended to the fact that she and McDonald entered the hotel at 4.15am".
From footage I've seen, she was sober enough to go back outside to pick up the pizza, and the person I understand to be Evans, appeared to be " with" the woman ?But hey, what do I know !That wasn't Evans with her though, that was blackmore. Evans turned up later, fraudulently obtained another key card to the room and let himself in.
Was it illegal is the question.No evidence then?
Add to that the girl reported to the police she thought she'd been spiked (in a club not by the footballers) and they looked into the case and decided to go to court not after hearing from the girl but hearing the statement from the 2 guys.No evidence then?A lot of us were talking about this long before Ched Evans site was up and still saying the conviction was dodgy.
I'm getting seriously annoyed by these 'when I win big ' tweet stories. There is no proof, or even valid reason to believe that these tweets were in any way related to the rape. I have conversations on many euromillions Fridays about what i'd buy for my friends and family if I won. Considering she's on about buying cars and holidays, it seems a bit far fetched to link that directly to a few thousand pounds worth of compo.
I find that Ched evans website to be pretty awful. Some of the lines of attack that they take against the girl are out and out bullying. the bit abut the cocaine has no relation to anything, it's just a cheap shot at the victim.
She's had to change her identity 5 times since the case in fear of her life.
Even if she did tweet that afterwards, surely how vapid she is had no bearing on the case?
Questional behaviour and illegal behaviour are two vastly different things.No evidence then?A lot of us were talking about this long before Ched Evans site was up and still saying the conviction was dodgy.The jury system is not infallible. One strong head and 11 meeks, you end up getting one persons verdict.
They hadn't been drinking both have said they hadn't.
We know she hadn't been spiked that's a misnomer as were her tweets.
Is going down a fire escape illegal?
No but it all points to it being very dodgy. I think he's guilty.
If you want to stick up for a convicted rapist who's appeal was also thrown out go for it.
I'd love for the lad to be innocent if he gets another appeal but I don't think he will be.
Thanks mate it's been fun.
I might be wrong, but that's how I understand it.Stone cold sober having sex with a passed out girl after sneaking into your mates hotel room while your brother and mate watched through the window. How can anyone defend this is beyond me!I can only conclude that there were people of the same view on the jury. What Evans did was deeply, deeply unpleasent. A lot of people have trouble differentiating this from undertaking a criminal act. You seem to be one of them, by all means feel free to draw a conclusion on the case using the evidence at hand, but just because you dont like what Evans did on the night does not make it rape.
If that's your attitude to women no wonder he thinks he's innocent
it's true though.
now i hate rugby since i was forced to play in school, so it didnt go down well with me, but it looked like it was a fairly normal thing to them
Then the Guinness world record for CCMB bumped posts will be smashed.
There seems to be quite a few guilty conscienses in this thread.
What a ridiculous message. You could deconstruct most crimes in that way to make them look normalThey hadn't been drinking both have said they hadn't.
examples please?They hadn't been drinking both have said they hadn't.We know she hadn't been spiked that's a misnomer as were her tweets.
Was 'matey' having sex by himself then?They hadn't been drinking both have said they hadn't.- or was there someone else involved who deserves a bit of consideration?
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