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Thread: Consultation meeting to take place

  1. #26

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    I think we have to keep an open mind about it and see what happens. Obviously the colour will be the main issue to be discussed (along with the badge) - i.e. if fans have their way. I don't think there is a compromise position with regard to colour: purple or red and blue, for example, are no good as compromises. And with regard to the badge: there can be no compromise on the Bluebird.

    If they are not prepared to discuss the above, I can't honestly see any value in the meeting really.


  2. #27

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    If fans agree to a compromise they're f*cking mugs.

    It's blue and white or nothing for me, Tan Out.

  3. #28

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    I gotta ask - is Gwyn going along with his spade?

  4. #29

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    Quote Originally Posted by Freitag 4.15 wrote on Mon, 05 January 2015 13:58
    Meh.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stavross CCFC wrote on Mon, 05 January 2015 13:56
    It'll be the usual "inner circle super fans" who get invited to these things.
    Quote Originally Posted by celticknight wrote on Mon, 05 January 2015 13:53
    This^^^^
    Can't believe Tan has changed from his views on Xmas Day to reversing the rebrand. In 2 years his views never changed, so I don't expect it to change in a few days.

  5. #30

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 05 January 2015 13:45
    Return to blue. Problems go away. Everything else is part and parcel of being a football fan
    We can all see this, apart from Tan apparently. It's no good having a meeting with fans unless this one issue is on the agenda.

  6. #31

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    Quote Originally Posted by Riled Taff wrote on Mon, 05 January 2015 14:04
    I gotta ask - is Gwyn going along with his spade?
    Representing himself?

  7. #32

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    Does anyone know if Tan is going to be in attendance?

  8. #33
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    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    Quote Originally Posted by Mashy wrote on Mon, 05 January 2015 14:03
    If fans agree to a compromise they're f*cking mugs.
    Not everyone is going to be happy, whatever the outcome.

  9. #34

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy wrote on Mon, 05 January 2015 14:01
    Meh.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock wrote on Mon, 05 January 2015 13:55
    It'll be the usual "inner circle super fans" who get invited to these things.
    Quote Originally Posted by celticknight wrote on Mon, 05 January 2015 13:53
    Great idea....
    I know we have done a shed load of giant steps in the wrong direction but maybe, just maybe

  10. #35

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 05 January 2015 13:45
    Return to blue. Problems go away. Everything else is part and parcel of being a football fan
    There should be no compromise on the return to blue position.

  11. #36

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    Wasn't there a similar consultation meeting offered after the last march? The problem being that it would have lasted 10 minutes at most and the club knew that.

    I think the first question should be why are you now interested in the supporters views when you've done everything possible to ignore us since the rebrand. Why has Tan has only appeared before supporters groups once and that was walking in unannounced and only staying if note taking stopped? Why are you interested in consultation now when you previously wanted to make out like we signed a mythical agreement regarding the rebrand when there was no consultation?

    Please also query why Tan has called supporters "disruptive and ungrateful" and said he doesn't mind losing supporters.

    Please drag up the Trusts piece where it shows how many times debt to equity has been ducked, ignored or forgotten. Ask how fans of Pompey can get their club out of debt whilst a club being backed by a billionaire has debt rising and rising.

    Please ask how so many players signed in the last 3 windows have been so expensive and yet such a waste. Drag up his and Lim's quotes where they boast doing better business and the manager not being allowed to thoughtlessly sign players then point to Slade's where he says we've thoughtlessly collected players. Ask why Guerra was signed on a three year deal when no one seems to want to play him. Ask them to rate the transfer committee's work out of 10?

    Please query the point of this meeting when the fans want a return to blue and Tan has no interest. Please raise that any negativity felt has only existed since Tan said the club colours were wrong before he arrived and tried to belittle our true identity. I want a return to blue and while it won't fix all problems few problems can be fixed until it happens.

  12. #37

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock wrote on Mon, 05 January 2015 14:08
    Meh.
    Quote Originally Posted by lardy wrote on Mon, 05 January 2015 14:01
    It'll be the usual "inner circle super fans" who get invited to these things.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock wrote on Mon, 05 January 2015 13:55
    Great idea....
    Quote Originally Posted by celticknight wrote on Mon, 05 January 2015 13:53
    Lets moan about who is going and who isnt.....
    You're getting moaning and lack of excitement mixed up.

  13. #38

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    Its quite simple really.

    First question: Can we have our identity back?

    If the answer is no then the meetings over.

    If its a yes then the other stuff can be dealt with - debt to equity, ticket prices, bloated overpaid squad, Tan being a prick etc.

  14. #39

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    Mike,

    I think people should always be able to break things down into a list of positives and negatives, or pro's and con's.

    As such, I would invite the club to provide a list of the positives that the rebrand has delivered for the club, as opposed to the positives to being in our traditional colours.

    As fans, we should then be able to present a set of thoughts, in a similar vein, outlining the benefits of being in blue, and the costs (and benefits if any exist) of being in red.

    I also always think it important to meet in the middle during negotiations. As such, I wonder whether as fans we should recognise the dragon symbol and acknowledge it playing a greater role than prev-rebrand, particularly when marketing abroad, and/or to kids. For example, a dragon mascot in the family stand? / Playing in red on a far east tour etc.

    Personally though, I am very firm in the fact that there is no longer any negotiation on the principle of a blue home kit, and a predominantly bluebird symbol as a badge.

    I hope the meeting goes well.

    Cheers
    James

  15. #40

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    It's hardly a bad step so has to be a positive move. In general fans can be reasonable; after all we cannot complain about Tan being unwilling to compromise if we can't. A blue shirt with Tan's badge or a blue shirt with a tinge of red might be a solution. Fans saying they are only prepared to settle for Tan leaving is plain daft given the appalling financial mess we are in admittedly through mismanagement. Do fans hate Tan more than they love the club?

    The problem with this meeting is that invitations are only going out to a select few including the Sam Hamman followers who have their own agenda and do not represent the overall fan base.

  16. #41

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

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    I give Mehmet until April.

  17. #42

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    Gwyn will be first across the barricades.

  18. #43

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Lecter wrote on Mon, 05 January 2015 14:21
    Its quite simple really.
    I forgot about ticket prices. That is another problem.

  19. #44

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    so let's have the meeting/consultation videoed and made available (after the event) on the various message boards.

    Then there'll be no argument about who said what, or who agreed/disagreed/threatened/coerced with one another.

    It'll also highlight the stance of various individuals in regard to BLUE (& all it's various permutations).

  20. #45

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    Quote Originally Posted by MarcP wrote on Mon, 05 January 2015 14:31
    so let's have the meeting/consultation videoed and made available (after the event) on the various message boards.
    This is surely a good idea.

  21. #46

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    Quote Originally Posted by Wrong Side of the Severn wrote on Mon, 05 January 2015 14:25
    It's hardly a bad step so has to be a positive move. In general fans can be reasonable; after all we cannot complain about Tan being unwilling to compromise if we can't. A blue shirt with Tan's badge or a blue shirt with a tinge of red might be a solution. Fans saying they are only prepared to settle for Tan leaving is plain daft given the appalling financial mess we are in admittedly through mismanagement. Do fans hate Tan more than they love the club?
    I was happy to compromise, City fans were happy to compromise, guess who wasn't? I'm not putting up with the last 2 and a half years of nonsense if the outcome is a red and blue half and half kit or another promise of us wearing blue away from home. If you want red to replace yellow as a supplementary colour that's fine.

  22. #47

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    Quote Originally Posted by MarcP wrote on Mon, 05 January 2015 14:31
    so let's have the meeting/consultation videoed and made available (after the event) on the various message boards.
    They can put Development games on Youtube so surely this could go on there.

  23. #48

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    The item at the top of the agenda has to be a return to blue.

    If the Club/Tan are willing to commit to reverting to blue for the new season then game on. Otherwise, meeting over as far as I am concerned.

  24. #49

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    Opening question from the floor should be

    'Will we be seeing a return to our traditional blue colour and the return of the bluebird as our club badge?'

    and if the answer is either swerved or there is no change of the current situation then ALL should walk out.

  25. #50

    Re: Consultation meeting to take place

    A consultation meeting just before season tickets go on sale...

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