How much was promotion under Mackay down to money?

[blue lewj]

Since taking over at Wigan his record is played 9, won 1, lost 7, drawn 1.

Hardly the results of the great manager some have him down as.

I honestly think he had his limitations like any manager but Mike Morris could have got us promoted with the signings we made and the promotion clouds many people's judgment of Malky (textgate aside).

[Optimistic Nick]

I'd say 30% down to the good work he did in building a side in the previous season, 20% down to it being a very poor league that season, and 50% down to money. For example, being able to bring Campbell in made gave us a bit of a boost. The fact that we won the league when our top scorer only scored 8 still amazes me.

[bluethrough]

Slightly confused by your point but one thing for sure is that Wigan fans have seen enough and want him out.

[blue lewj]

Slightly confused by your point but one thing for sure is that Wigan fans have seen enough and want him out.

He is certainly doing worse than Uwe before him up to this point.

[Optimistic Nick]

Slightly confused by your point but one thing for sure is that Wigan fans have seen enough and want him out.

However if it really is that terrible, I suppose Wigan have a get-out-of-jail-free card in the event that this FA inquiry (which is shamefully late) finds that he's done something naughty (which he has).

[Colon Man]

The point is that under Mackay we were promoted and were never in the Premiership relegation zone.

[bluethrough]

Slightly confused by your point but one thing for sure is that Wigan fans have seen enough and want him out.

If it's too early for us to judge Slade, it is too early for Wigan to judge Malky too.

I say this as someone who thought MM did great early on for us . It just started going wrong when the big spending came around.

[surge]

No.

[qccfc]

Malky Mackay built a team unit here, and he was allowed to do that because, there was a large departure of players here when he arrived, and he had money to bring players in.

You cannot deny that building that unit took a fair amount of skill. He was also lucky to have that money available in his second season. If i was to call it i would probably call it a 60/40 split in favour of skill, maybe 70/30.

Where he is struggling now, is turning around an existing ground of players that are currently taking a club backwards. Its a different set of circumstances to his time at Cardiff City. He also now has the pressure and expectation of a promotion winning manager, which he didn't have hanging over him during his time at Cardiff.

[Daniel15]

I'd say 30% down to the good work he did in building a side in the previous season, 20% down to it being a very poor league that season, and 50% down to money. For example, being able to bring Campbell in made gave us a bit of a boost. The fact that we won the league when our top scorer only scored 8 still amazes me.

I'd say the Championship in 2012/13 was the strongest it's been for some time. Not simply because we won it - but for the first time in quite some time 55 points was needed to survive relegation. That points tally is remarkably high

[Otis]

I like trains.

[Optimistic Nick]

I'd say 30% down to the good work he did in building a side in the previous season, 20% down to it being a very poor league that season, and 50% down to money. For example, being able to bring Campbell in made gave us a bit of a boost. The fact that we won the league when our top scorer only scored 8 still amazes me.

I'd say the Championship in 2012/13 was the strongest it's been for some time. Not simply because we won it - but for the first time in quite some time 55 points was needed to survive relegation. That points tally is remarkably high

All that shows is that there was not a group of 3-4 very good sides like there often is.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

I'd say 30% down to the good work he did in building a side in the previous season, 20% down to it being a very poor league that season, and 50% down to money. For example, being able to bring Campbell in made gave us a bit of a boost. The fact that we won the league when our top scorer only scored 8 still amazes me.

I'd say the Championship in 2012/13 was the strongest it's been for some time. Not simply because we won it - but for the first time in quite some time 55 points was needed to survive relegation. That points tally is remarkably high

All that shows is that there was not a group of 3-4 very good sides like there often is.

Having said that, plenty teams that have thrown money at it have been unsuccessful and I'd say most of Malky's signings that year (or the year before) were good value.

[chepstow]

I'd say 30% down to the good work he did in building a side in the previous season, 20% down to it being a very poor league that season, and 50% down to money. For example, being able to bring Campbell in made gave us a bit of a boost. The fact that we won the league when our top scorer only scored 8 still amazes me.

I'd say the Championship in 2012/13 was the strongest it's been for some time. Not simply because we won it - but for the first time in quite some time 55 points was needed to survive relegation. That points tally is remarkably high

All that shows is that there was not a group of 3-4 very good sides like there often is.

That season there were a lot of very similar sides, so you didn't have to be much better than the rest to win it. We went out of our way to not lose and nick goals.

I agree with most of what you say. MM got in good value players for the championship campaign and made them very difficult to beat

[Jimmy the Jock]

Slightly confused by your point but one thing for sure is that Wigan fans have seen enough and want him out.

If it's too early for us to judge Slade, it is too early for Wigan to judge Malky too.

What did he do?

[Jimmy the Jock]

I'd say 30% down to the good work he did in building a side in the previous season, 20% down to it being a very poor league that season, and 50% down to money. For example, being able to bring Campbell in made gave us a bit of a boost. The fact that we won the league when our top scorer only scored 8 still amazes me.

I'd say the Championship in 2012/13 was the strongest it's been for some time. Not simply because we won it - but for the first time in quite some time 55 points was needed to survive relegation. That points tally is remarkably high

All that shows is that there was not a group of 3-4 very good sides like there often is.

They always look rubbish when you are sitting at the top.

[tigerbaybluebird]

It was Tan's money and support towards his manager that got us promoted, it's just a pity that Malky ( who played the fans like a fiddle with his fist pumping etc)
****ed it up.....

[purple haze2]

The point is that under Mackay we were promoted and were never in the Premiership relegation zone.

We were hurtling down the table under MM and given another game or two he would have got us there.

[Jimmy the Jock]

The point is that under Mackay we were promoted and were never in the Premiership relegation zone.

We were hurtling down the table under MM and given another game or two he would have got us there.

[purple haze2]

Malky Mackay built a team unit here, and he was allowed to do that because, there was a large departure of players here when he arrived, and he had money to bring players in.

This is pretty much the same team that attained 5th position in this division and lost an FA Cup semi final to Arsenal on penalties last season

[qccfc]

Malky Mackay built a team unit here, and he was allowed to do that because, there was a large departure of players here when he arrived, and he had money to bring players in.

You cannot deny that building that unit took a fair amount of skill. He was also lucky to have that money available in his second season. If i was to call it i would probably call it a 60/40 split in favour of skill, maybe 70/30.

But it was clearly going backwards this season, Hence why they sacked Rosler.

[Colon Man]

The point is that under Mackay we were promoted and were never in the Premiership relegation zone.

We were hurtling down the table under MM and given another game or two he would have got us there.

We weren't hurtling anywhere. We were keeping our heads above water in our first season in the Prem when most people I know said they'd sttle for 17th. Once Malky left and Ole took over, we were permanently in the relegation zone.

[purple haze2]

The point is that under Mackay we were promoted and were never in the Premiership relegation zone.

We were hurtling down the table under MM and given another game or two he would have got us there.

History will show we were not in the relegation zone.

That's not rewriting history, just an observation.

[Jimmy the Jock]

The point is that under Mackay we were promoted and were never in the Premiership relegation zone.

We were hurtling down the table under MM and given another game or two he would have got us there.

History will show we were not in the relegation zone.

You can rewrite it as many times as you like.

I was looking forward to a change in style when Ole finally got the job though.

[Daniel15]

The point is that under Mackay we were promoted and were never in the Premiership relegation zone.

We were hurtling down the table under MM and given another game or two he would have got us there.

History will show we were not in the relegation zone.

You can rewrite it as many times as you like.

I'm not saying Malky was brilliant - far from it. At least we competed in 99% of games (Southampton home the exception - Liverpool CC final the proof)