I got his autograph when Wales played Brazil at Ninian Park.
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Socrates famously said that the unexamined life is not worth living. But was he right? Would it not be best to live our lives on the basis of what our parents tell us, or what our religion tells us? Or even what our friends tell us? Whadya think?
I got his autograph when Wales played Brazil at Ninian Park.
Why do you suggest that it would be best to do that?Originally Posted by Gwynedd Blue wrote on Mon, 09 February 2015 22:00
I think we should bring back Blue Plato to answer ( remember his betting system ? ).
Failing that post when sober.
He said nothing of the sort. He quite possibly didn't even exist.Originally Posted by Gwynedd Blue wrote on Mon, 09 February 2015 22:00
He probably did exist. He's accounted for not just by Plato but by many other philosophers of the time.Originally Posted by Temujin wrote on Tue, 10 February 2015 00:43
I think that this statement points out the uniqueness of the human kind due to its ability to investigate life and by that to investigate itself. Without an investigation of this kind (in any form of it) one's life turns out to be very similar to an animal's life, which basically focus on the effort to provide itself with the basic needs. Don't you think?Originally Posted by Gwynedd Blue wrote on Mon, 09 February 2015 22:00
As far as his philosophy goes, it doesn't matter if he existed or not. This Temujin chappie just wanted to show off that he is aware that it is a possibility that Socrates is a figment of Plato's mind.Originally Posted by calonlan wrote on Tue, 10 February 2015 06:34
Blue Plato, you mean?Originally Posted by jaffa1 wrote on Tue, 10 February 2015 07:46
Glad you remember him too TBJ.Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Tue, 10 February 2015 12:53
Funnily enough Blue Plato and his 'system' were never seen again.Originally Posted by BlueWales wrote on Mon, 09 February 2015 22:45
I don't believe this to be best; I'm just trying to provoke a debate.Originally Posted by calonlan wrote on Mon, 09 February 2015 22:19
If he 'quite possibly' did not exist then how can you claim that he said nothing of the sort? Anyway, if he didn't exist, then we must question Plato's sanity - not you Blue Plato.Originally Posted by Temujin wrote on Tue, 10 February 2015 00:43
Everyone should have a window on themselves i.e. be able to see themselves as others may see them.
Those who don't are usually shytes in my experience.
I posed this question because I don't think many of us reflect on our lives that much - including me. But just over two years ago I did start to reflect on what I wanted most out of what is left of my life - and ended up in Gwynedd - a salutary tale.Originally Posted by Gluteus Maximus wrote on Tue, 10 February 2015 07:17
I read that somewhere.Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R wrote on Mon, 09 February 2015 22:44
As for 'he said nothing of the sort'. That's becaise anything we know of him come directly from Plato. PLato was the writer and philosopher SOCRATES wrote nothing and there aren't even any ancient contemporary pics or quotes or busts etc. Except from Plato.Originally Posted by calonlan wrote on Tue, 10 February 2015 06:34
There is a bust of Socrates I think - and he is UGLY. Of course Socrates would be the first to say that we cannot know that he existed or that he said anything. If he did exist, then he is reported to have said: 'All I know is that I know nothing'.Originally Posted by Temujin wrote on Tue, 10 February 2015 17:54
A true philosopher would not be interested in whether he existed or not but would ask 'what do you mean by exist?'Originally Posted by jaffa1 wrote on Tue, 10 February 2015 07:46
No,he was referred to by others such as Xenophon but, as pointed out above, it doesn't matter whether or not he existed. If the Socratic dialogues were the invention of Plato, their existence are of great importance to the history and development of Western philosophy. Likewise, whether or not the historical Jesus really existed does not affect the huge influence of Christianity on the world today.Originally Posted by Temujin wrote on Tue, 10 February 2015 17:54
But I have to admit that I don't really know - just as I don't know if the Americans really landed on the moon - they probably did but I simply can't claim to KNOW that they did.Originally Posted by calonlan wrote on Tue, 10 February 2015 18:27
I don't think Plato had any interest in proving whether or not Socrates did exist. Socrates was a machine to put forward Plato's own philosophy. Whether he was a real man who mentored Plato or a construct designed to suit Plato's dialogical style of argument is irrelevant.Originally Posted by Gwynedd Blue wrote on Tue, 10 February 2015 19:09
I didn't mean to suggest that Plato had any interest in proving the existence of Socrates. Plato was one of Socrates' pupils and he was right pissed when the Athenian democracy tried him for corrupting the young - and for being critical of the democracy. Plato was no fan of democracy either and wanted philosophers to rule.Originally Posted by calonlan wrote on Tue, 10 February 2015 19:18
Plato was no democrat, that's for sure.Originally Posted by Gwynedd Blue wrote on Tue, 10 February 2015 19:28