Go on Ed get stuck into him

[ragbone]

Dodgy...bang to rights...up to his neck shouted Ed at boy Cameron , alleging that David Cameron's Tory party takes money from tax dodgers.

Ed has had a few good moments such as phone hacking, Rupert Murdoch , Power Companies greed, cost of living v Osborne distorted view , standing up to USA & Tories in refusing to support military action in Syria ( hence avoiding another Iraq ).

Withstanding dodgy bacon sandwich moments I just get the feeling he is landing some punches as we near the election, no wonder Boy Cameron doesn't fancy the TV debates.

[welshden]

[quote title=ragbone wrote on Thu, 12 February 2015 00:11]Dodgy...bang to rights...up to his neck shouted Ed at boy Cameron , alleging that David Cameron's Tory party takes money from tax dodgers.

Ed has had a few good moments such as phone hacking, Rupert Murdoch , Power Companies greed, cost of living v Osborne distorted view , standing up to USA & Tories in refusing to support military action in Syria ( hence avoiding another Iraq ).

Withstanding dodgy bacon sandwich moments I just get the feeling he is landing some punches as we near the election, no wonder Boy Cameron doesn't fancy the TV debates.


Yep. If petty name calling won you elections, then good on Ed. I would prefer someone more mature, maybe a grown up to govern the country myself.

[Loya Jirga]

ragbone wrote on Thu, 12 February 2015 00:11] Dodgy...bang to rights...up to his neck shouted Ed at boy Cameron , alleging that David Cameron's Tory party takes money from tax dodgers.

Yesterday was the first time in a long while that Miliband made me think of voting for him. He still has much to do to get my vote though.

[The Penguin]

Dodgy...bang to rights...up to his neck shouted Ed at boy Cameron , alleging that David Cameron's Tory party takes money from tax dodgers.

Miliband might have bitten off more than he can chew.

[waynekerr55]

Dodgy...bang to rights...up to his neck shouted Ed at boy Cameron , alleging that David Cameron's Tory party takes money from tax dodgers.

And how exactly will putting the chuckle brothers aka the two Ed's improve the country? Labour are just the Tories with some cheap vote winning policies to maintain the status quo

[alfie sherwood]

Voting options for anyone seriously opposed to ideology driven public service cuts are limited and plenty of people will feel compelled to hold their nose and vote Labour. Purely because Labour are (just about) the lesser of two evils and ordinary people are rightly concerned about what another 5 years of Tory rule would do to the NHS, education and other hugely valued public services.

It's still an indictment of our political system that by default an unwanted 'austerity light' party like Labour could get into power because they are marginally less unpalatable than the other bunch of cowboys.

As much as I dislike UKIP and their knuckle dragging politics, at least they have injected some life into the moribund British political scene. Unfortunately, the rise of a Syriza type party of the left looks unlikely as the left wing vote is so splintered.

This next general election is a vital one, sadly the electorate are being served up very meagre fare by their political representatives.

[Saracen]

Dodgy...bang to rights...up to his neck shouted Ed at boy Cameron , alleging that David Cameron's Tory party takes money from tax dodgers.

Ed has had a few good moments such as phone hacking, Rupert Murdoch , Power Companies greed, cost of living v Osborne distorted view , standing up to USA & Tories in refusing to support military action in Syria ( hence avoiding another Iraq ).

Fink's threat to sue is a joke and he's already started to back down. His latest statement is that "tax avoidance is normal in British society".

[Saracen]

The Fink's latest statement:

"I don't even want to sue Ed Miliband," he said. "In my life I have been libelled a few dozen times and I have never sued anybody, even for some comments that were quite outrageous".

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/everyone-avoids-tax-says-l ord-fink-after-he-was-named-by-ed-miliband-in-commons-row-10 041040.html

Perhaps it is Fink who has bitten off more than he can chew?

[Jimmy Jimmy]

I may have missed it but has Ed milliband had the bollocks to say what he said in Parliament outside on the street yet ?

If he believes in his convictions then he needs to repeat what he said today - so we can then see which one of them is lying - as one of them is , and Milliband has been challenged to back up his claims - interesting times

personally I dont think he will - but would love it if he did

[Jimmy Jimmy]

The debt has to be repaid - how would you do it ? - all through taxation ? , or all by public sector cuts ? a bit of both or would you just ignore it and print more money ?

[Saracen]

I may have missed it but has Ed milliband had the bollocks to say what he said in Parliament outside on the street yet ?

Yup, you've missed it.

[surge]

I may have missed it but has Ed milliband had the bollocks to say what he said in Parliament outside on the street yet ?

I believe that he is protected in the house of commons but if he was to say the same things on a radio show etc. then he could be attracting the attention of legal teams. The same would be true for all politicians in the house.

[TruBlue]

Seems a bit unfair to name someone for doing something entirely legal. We may all find it dodgy but if it;s legal it's up to the government to sort it out, not up to the individual.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Tory scum

[Jimmy Jimmy]

Just listened to it - he bottled it - called him guilty of tax avoidance - which is NOT illegal and done by anyone who has a pension, invests in shares as part of a salary, who put smoney into an ISA or anything else that incurs tax relief.

I thought he accused him of tax evasion - what a fecking muppet - either do it mean and prove it - or dont bother saying it.

Tax evaders yes go after them, large corps that dilute profits by using loans etc yes go after them - I know Milliband is desperate for a story but FFS get it right and do it properly

[surge]

Seems a bit unfair to name someone for doing something entirely legal. We may all find it dodgy but if it;s legal it's up to the government to sort it out, not up to the individual.

One could say that David Cameron went after Jimmy Carr for avoiding tax (while ignoring Tory supporter Gary Barlow), so why should Ed be doing differently? The may be a difference between legal and moral but making legal closer to moral is a good thing.

[Saracen]

Just listened to it - he bottled it - called him guilty of tax avoidance - which is NOT illegal and done by anyone who has a pension, invests in shares as part of a salary, who put smoney into an ISA or anything else that incurs tax relief.

I'm no fan of Miliband but it is clear that he bottled nothing. He alleged tax avoidance in Parliament (transcript available widely if you'd like to read it), Fink got his knickers in a twist and challenged Miliband to repeat the allegation outside Parliament, Miliband repeated it.

[TruBlue]

Seems a bit unfair to name someone for doing something entirely legal. We may all find it dodgy but if it;s legal it's up to the government to sort it out, not up to the individual.

One could say that David Cameron went after Jimmy Carr for avoiding tax (while ignoring Tory supporter Gary Barlow), so why should Ed be doing differently? The may be a difference between legal and moral but making legal closer to moral is a good thing.

Ed Milliband is fully within his right to have a go at David Cameron as it's his job to stop this sort of thing. Naming an individual who did nothing wrong seems out of order to me.

[Fila Bj]

Seems a bit unfair to name someone for doing something entirely legal. We may all find it dodgy but if it;s legal it's up to the government to sort it out, not up to the individual.

One could say that David Cameron went after Jimmy Carr for avoiding tax (while ignoring Tory supporter Gary Barlow), so why should Ed be doing differently? The may be a difference between legal and moral but making legal closer to moral is a good thing.

Thought Milliband handled it well yesterday at PMQs but he needs to step up his game because, as much people do not want to vote for the current lot, they don't want to vote him either.

[Jimmy Jimmy]

That was my point - accusing someone of tax avoidance (whether in Parliament or in the pub) is meaningless as well as pointless as everyone does it - if you have a pension, ISA, invest in shares, spend things on your company to invest rather than paying corporation tax etc these are all tax avoidance measures.

[Saracen]

That was my point - accusing someone of tax avoidance (whether in Parliament or in the pub) is meaningless as well as pointless as everyone does it - if you have a pension, ISA, invest in shares, spend things on your company to invest rather than paying corporation tax etc these are all tax avoidance measures.

If the accusation is meaningless and/or pointless I don't understand why Fink felt compelled to challenge Miliband to repeat it outside Parliament?

[Jimmy Jimmy]

Nor do I - unless he thought he said evasion perhaps or implied it. Small storm in a very storm tea cup.

Just goes to show that whatever leaning there is nothing honourable about MPs or Lords etc

[ragbone]

Just listened to it - he bottled it - called him guilty of tax avoidance - which is NOT illegal and done by anyone who has a pension, invests in shares as part of a salary, who put smoney into an ISA or anything else that incurs tax relief.

I thought he accused him of tax evasion - what a fecking muppet - either do it mean and prove it - or dont bother saying it.

Ed Miliband is not perfect, however he is the best fit for Welsh people who have proud socialist roots and achievements.

[goslow]

Was fink avoiding paying tax during the last liarbour government or did he only start under the coalition?

[ragbone]

Was fink avoiding paying tax during the last liarbour government or did he only start under the coalition?

He like many other rich people were up to all manner of things , still makes it a brave shout by Miliband as he knows this point well. Put up or shut up init , you should consider the same question which is being asked of Cameron on this subject , the silence is deafening in the Oxfordshire life