Go on Ed get stuck into him

[Observer]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! .. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31459067

For a bloke who "claims" not to believe a thing the BBC say you don't half spend a lot of time on their site and spreading their propaganda.

In case you failed to notice, Herve Falciani the source of the information regarding HSBC is working directly with the BBC and Panorama on the disclosures

[Observer]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! .. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31459067

For a bloke who "claims" not to believe a thing the BBC say you don't half spend a lot of time on their site and spreading their propaganda.

Not forgetting you taking the Panorama story as gospel this week. I assume you know who makes Panorama don't you?

Are you accusing him of being an shill? A professional internet forum agitator? You know, I think you might be right!

[TruBlue]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! .. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31459067

For a bloke who "claims" not to believe a thing the BBC say you don't half spend a lot of time on their site and spreading their propaganda.

Not forgetting you taking the Panorama story as gospel this week. I assume you know who makes Panorama don't you?

Not at all. Why do you ask?

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! .. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31459067

For a bloke who "claims" not to believe a thing the BBC say you don't half spend a lot of time on their site and spreading their propaganda.

Not forgetting you taking the Panorama story as gospel this week. I assume you know who makes Panorama don't you?

Genuine question trueblue. Do you discredit everything you hear or read?

Because its (in my opinion) an interesting subject. What to believe and not what to believe. No wrong or right i was just interested on your thoughts.

[TruBlue]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! .. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31459067

For a bloke who "claims" not to believe a thing the BBC say you don't half spend a lot of time on their site and spreading their propaganda.

Not forgetting you taking the Panorama story as gospel this week. I assume you know who makes Panorama don't you?

Genuine question trueblue. Do you discredit everything you hear or read?

Not at all. Why do you ask?

In general we have people on here who pretend not to believe a word the "mainstream media" say, yet as soon as their is a paedo, banking, political story on them, then believing the mainstream media becomes acceptable again. I like pointing out the hypocrisy of it.

[Observer]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! .. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31459067

For a bloke who "claims" not to believe a thing the BBC say you don't half spend a lot of time on their site and spreading their propaganda.

Not forgetting you taking the Panorama story as gospel this week. I assume you know who makes Panorama don't you?

Genuine question trueblue. Do you discredit everything you hear or read?

Not at all. Why do you ask?

Because its (in my opinion) an interesting subject. What to believe and not what to believe. No wrong or right i was just interested on your thoughts.

The fact is you need to have your wits about you when dealing with all sources of media.

[ragbone]

To summaries then Ed Miliband won the day

Yep, might've won him the election.

[the other bob wilson]

I wonder how many on here have avoided paying VAT by paying cash to a tradesman for work done or goods received on/in their own property!!!!!

I also wonder how many on here are billionaires with HSBC Swiss bank accounts who avoid paying tax? Which was what the debate was about.

Analogies not allowed because they don't suit your argument.Sounds like your words came straight out of Milliband's mouth!!!

It's not my agenda. The story was HSBC bosses advising billionaire clients on aggressive tax avoidance. Both Cameron and Osbourne have been happy to put on record that they find THIS type of tax avoidance repulsive. Neither side mentioned any other form of tax avoidance as that was not the story, and as such it was the HSBC story that was debated in the commons.

But if you are unwilling or unable to debate the HSBC story we'll leave it there.

One day you will see there is a bigger picture.I'll leave you in your insular world!!

So you are unwilling or unable to give your opinion on the HSBC tax affair that was debated in the House of Commons on Wednesday. Ok, no worries,

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2014-09-29/robson-green-tax-a voiders-should-be-ashamed

[Observer]

Another interesting take on a two-tier system from the Daily Mail of all people (that should please a few on here!) .. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2951763/ALEX-BRUMM ER-rage-HMRC-Gestapo-pick-little-people-doing-cosy-deals-sup er-rich.html

I don't think Carr apologised because it was morally wrong, I think he apologised because he was worried about ticket and video sales.

[Observer]

The Daily Mail are coming out all guns blazing over this .. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2953164/The-tax-man- snout-trough-HMRC-boss-Dave-Hartnett-persecuted-small-taxpay ers-striking-sweetheart-deals-tax-avoiding-giants-did-HSBC-s candal-went-work-them.html

[archibald leitch]

Fink is correct - everybody does evade tax.

you can't judge EVERYBODY by your own standrds

[archibald leitch]

Seems a bit unfair to name someone for doing something entirely legal. We may all find it dodgy but if it;s legal it's up to the government to sort it out, not up to the individual.

As i recall the issue was not just about finks personal fincances, it was not just about HSBC actively encouraging people to hide money from the tax man, it was about the governmnet appointing this shady character as a minister - well dodgy.

[Observer]

Seems a bit unfair to name someone for doing something entirely legal. We may all find it dodgy but if it;s legal it's up to the government to sort it out, not up to the individual.

And why would the government do anything about it - unless the public kick up a fuss and prompt them to change the law or enforce existing law.

PS the link is already posted above.

[ragbone]

well done Ed for rocking the Tory rich boat, great week for Labour , number 10 beckons

[Observer]

This story is far from over .. I think the parliamentary expenses scandal will pail into insignificance compared to this.

What we are hearing now are the lurid details about how the corruption and nepotism in our glorious country actually works.

So much for being a beacon of fairness and democracy for the whole world to admire, the truth is the whole system in Britain stinks.

And the elite paedophilia going on is merely a side-dish to the main-course of screwing the rank and file of this country over and over again.

[jackrabbit]

"Ed Miliband is not perfect, however he is the best fit for Welsh people who have proud socialist roots and achievements."

Gawd help us! The Welsh people need and deserve more than this bumbling incompetent. I can't believe anyone in his right mind could cast a vote for such a sad tw@t[/email][/email][/email] as Millipede and his economically illiterate henchman, Balls.

The trouble with socialism is that you end up running out of other people's money.

How do you know how I'm going to vote? Just because I have the utmost contempt for a pair of brain dead muppets like Millipede and Ballsup. Nobody in their right mind, no matter what their allegiance could give those two any serious consideration as leaders of our country. I come from a fervent Labour supporting family but if my old dad were alive today he wouldn't contemplate for a moment, casting his vote for this pair of lightweight hypocrites. If, Gawd forbid, this pair of tw@ts should triumph at the election, we'd suffer a government of envy, resentment snd posturing. A country steeped in the image of Harriet Harperson. Gawd help you if you do well for yourself through your own enterprise. Gawd help you if you want to make choices on how you want to run your life and bring up your family. And God help the NHS - don't forget the Staffordshire scandal happened on their watch. More waste, less customer choice and posturing hypocrisy. I can hardly wait.

[ragbone]

"Ed Miliband is not perfect, however he is the best fit for Welsh people who have proud socialist roots and achievements."

Gawd help us! The Welsh people need and deserve more than this bumbling incompetent. I can't believe anyone in his right mind could cast a vote for such a sad tw@t[/email][/email][/email][/email][/email] as Millipede and his economically illiterate henchman, Balls.

The trouble with socialism is that you end up running out of other people's money.

Milliband and Balls would be a total and utter disaster for the country.

Not sure what the view is from your world but the basic living standards of many have been badly eroded in Wales under this coalition, interestingly the rich have got a lot richer, whilst others have lost their jobs ,homes and social care support .

[Observer]

Did anybody notice the disclosure that HMRC used the specific anti-terror RIPA legislation on a member of staff who alerted Parliament to potential wrong doing through a confidential reporting system designed to protect the informant. HMRC then proceeded successfully to destroy his life.

So much for TruBlue's worn-out theory that if you haven't done everything wrong then you don't have anything to worry about. How dare an employee alert the authorities to the fact that the boss of HMRC was about to let his future employers off a 6 billion pound tax bill!

[Observer]

Did anybody notice the disclosure that HMRC used the specific anti-terror RIPA legislation on a member of staff who alerted Parliament to potential wrong doing through a confidential reporting system designed to protect the informant. HMRC then proceeded successfully to destroy his life.

Correction: It should read "if you haven't done everything wrong then you have nothing to worry about".

[GRUMPYS DEN]

I wonder how many on here have avoided paying VAT by paying cash to a tradesman for work done or goods received on/in their own property!!!!!

I also wonder how many on here are billionaires with HSBC Swiss bank accounts who avoid paying tax? Which was what the debate was about.

Analogies not allowed because they don't suit your argument.Sounds like your words came straight out of Milliband's mouth!!!

It's not my agenda. The story was HSBC bosses advising billionaire clients on aggressive tax avoidance. Both Cameron and Osbourne have been happy to put on record that they find THIS type of tax avoidance repulsive. Neither side mentioned any other form of tax avoidance as that was not the story, and as such it was the HSBC story that was debated in the commons.

So yet again you have nothing to say about HSBC advising billionaire customers about avoiding tax?

But if you are unwilling or unable to debate the HSBC story we'll leave it there.

One day you will see there is a bigger picture.I'll leave you in your insular world!!

So you are unwilling or unable to give your opinion on the HSBC tax affair that was debated in the House of Commons on Wednesday. Ok, no worries,

Avoidance is legal, evasion is not but you are prepared to ignore that fact.There is little else to debate as it is a matter of personal opinion and I have to say if I was in a position where I could avoid paying tax legally I would do so.You have made no comment on the question of evasion I raised and therefore can only assume that in your insular world you are unaware of it or perhaps prefer to pretend it doesn't exist.Political dogma dies that to people I suppose.

So you do not have an opinion on the HSBC issue. Thanks.

Clearly you are easily confused.You have in one post thanked me for giving my opinion and in the next post say I have failed to answer you.No wonder you want to leave it there!!

[Dr Tim Muff]

Subtle switch to my business I think this is based on personal issues not business.You are as slippery as the politicians themselves.

You can't be that thick.

[Observer]

[the other bob wilson]

well done Ed for rocking the Tory rich boat, great week for Labour , number 10 beckons

suggests Labour might have gained a little from the tax stories during last week, but it's barely anything really and the Guardian poll has Cameron's personal rating being boosted slightly, while Miliband continues to struggle - I think the HSBC scandal has the potential to become a big issue in the coming weeks (although to whose benefit I'm not sure), but it seems to have changed very little on the political landscape so far.

[Elysium]

well done Ed for rocking the Tory rich boat, great week for Labour , number 10 beckons