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A link I picked up earlier tonight on an Oxford Union Debate on Socialism / Capitalism / Marxism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrivBvZ--SQ Socialism doesnt work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZvAvNJL-gE - Socialism does work
Park your politics at the door though
Socialism now, in Wales, would make us less competitive and poorer. Perhaps I wish that wasn't the case, but I think it is, and if you have societies common good at heart then you have to put reality over theory.Originally Posted by Jimmy Jimmy wrote on Wed, 29 April 2015 22:34
Did you watch the videos ?
People will only watch what they want.
The people have spoken.
MOTION: This House Believes Socialism Will Not Work.
RESULT: Motion Defeated
Just cut the Shiite and tell us what you think we should think?
It'll be easier all round and we won't have to see you sermonised drivel.
Regards.
Nope, although I'm familiar with the debate.
So if you had to choose where to send your kids to school would it be north or south Korea ?
I watched both videos and could be swayed by both arguments however j think the balance went to capitalism , although I would say to anyone watch both before forming any sort of opinion, there's not much between either other than more of a nanny state
Capitalism with some intervention from the state regarding the welfare of the people as a whole wins it for me. Unfettered capitalism results in unacceptably great inequalities and socialism suppresses entrepreneurial activities. Scandinavian countries tend to come top of most studies as to the best balance overall.
That is classed as social market or social democracy. It's how Germany works and is the underlying economic principle behind the wirtschaftswunder. It is clearly the most capable economic model.
An increasingly pervasive influence from the United States, a scarily right wing press, a political establishment in the shape of an ideology driven Tory party and an ineffective rudderless Labour Party are all contributing to the ongoing crumbling of public services and widening wealth gap.
Talking of crumbling public services, the vogc are now charging to pick up white goods. This isn't a new thing, we've seen bin collections move from weekly to fortnightly in the past 15 years so it's not party driven or funding driven.
Stop agreeing. It gives this message board a bad name.Capitalism with some intervention from the state regarding the welfare of the people as a whole wins it for me. Unfettered capitalism results in unacceptably great inequalities and socialism suppresses entrepreneurial activities. Scandinavian countries tend to come top of most studies as to the best balance overall.
I've been banging this particular drum for 6 years now and it has fallen on deaf ears. you'll get the resident socialist pollyanna's along soon to say that we'd be better off following the east German SED model rather than the social market that create the economic miracle of West Germany.Capitalism with some intervention from the state regarding the welfare of the people as a whole wins it for me. Unfettered capitalism results in unacceptably great inequalities and socialism suppresses entrepreneurial activities. Scandinavian countries tend to come top of most studies as to the best balance overall.That is classed as social market or social democracy. It's how Germany works and is the underlying economic principle behind the wirtschaftswunder. It is clearly the most capable economic model.
The health system model over there is different to the NHS but it seemed to work very well indeed. I fully understand the great support of the concept of the NHS (for whom my lady works as a nurse) but veering away from the existing model doesn't necessarily mean that the US model needs to get any nearer. I would really appreciate the opinions of anyone who knows more than I do about the two different models i.e. that of the NHS and the Gesetzliche Krankenversicherung system.Capitalism with some intervention from the state regarding the welfare of the people as a whole wins it for me. Unfettered capitalism results in unacceptably great inequalities and socialism suppresses entrepreneurial activities. Scandinavian countries tend to come top of most studies as to the best balance overall.That is classed as social market or social democracy. It's how Germany works and is the underlying economic principle behind the wirtschaftswunder. It is clearly the most capable economic model.Stop agreeing. It gives this message board a bad name.
the main difference is that if you opt out of the German system you opt out for life. it can be cheaper to pay private insurance than national insurance when you are younger but it can become much more expensive as you get older. the split is around 90/10 in favour of the national insurance. all healthcare is delivered privately by around 130 social funds although it is either private health insurance or social health insurance that funds it.
as a result of the competition aspect waiting times are unheard of yet the quality of treatment and the availability for all irrespective of ability to pay compares favourably with the UK.
some prefer to make healthcare a political football, I just prefer to look at the best models and see which works well.
It sometimes feels that we live in a bubble.
Uk politics does seem to tribal and immature for people on both sides of the political divide to accept that there may be some merit in considering alternative political theories
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