Corbyn isn't quite the radical the tabloids would have you believe

[alfie sherwood]

I like this quote

The end result would be? Yep, you've guessed it, not doctrinaire socialism but social democracy.

[Feedback]

So you are saying Corbyn is not a man who sticks to his principles. Interesting.

[Heathccfc]

That's your opinion. I would look to Germany, Switzerland and Scandinavia as prime examples of social democracy. I don't see any of what Corbyn proposes as social democracy. For example, He is proposing rent controls.

Reopening the mines, would/could never be done after politicians telling us how important the ozone layer is for years and years.

[alfie sherwood]

So you are saying Corbyn is not a man who sticks to his principles. Interesting.

You're a poor mans Jeremy Paxman, that's for sure..all leaders have to make compromises and aside from tin pot dictators, not a single leader converts all personal views into policies. I'm guessing you already know that though

[alfie sherwood]

That's your opinion. I would look to Germany, Switzerland and Scandinavia as prime examples of social democracy. I don't see any of what Corbyn proposes as social democracy. For example, He is proposing rent controls.

Why is it whenever Corbyn says something that goes against his supporters interpretation - in this case reopening the mines - it is dismissed because it is 'not policy'.

Exactly. Feedy seems to have a problem distinguishing between personal views and policies

[Feedback]

That's your opinion. I would look to Germany, Switzerland and Scandinavia as prime examples of social democracy. I don't see any of what Corbyn proposes as social democracy. For example, He is proposing rent controls.

Why is it whenever Corbyn says something that goes against his supporters interpretation - in this case reopening the mines - it is dismissed because it is 'not policy'.

I agree with you about the railways heath save for one very small fact. Certain sections of the public become apoplectic with rage at the thought of privatisation. They aren't interested in end product only political ideology.

[Feedback]

So you are saying Corbyn is not a man who sticks to his principles. Interesting.

You're a poor mans Jeremy Paxman, that's for sure..all leaders have to make compromises and aside from tin pot dictators, not a single leader converts all personal views into policies. I'm guessing you already know that though

Blair was a social democrat. Yet the party want to shift left away from his policies more towards a traditional left wing position. If you want to call that social democracy then you do that. However that doesn't make it so because you say so. Corbyn is no social democrat and the rank and file syndicalists who are cheering and supporting his every move are testament to that fact.

[alfie sherwood]

So you are saying Corbyn is not a man who sticks to his principles. Interesting.

You're a poor mans Jeremy Paxman, that's for sure..all leaders have to make compromises and aside from tin pot dictators, not a single leader converts all personal views into policies. I'm guessing you already know that though

I'm well aware of compromise but Corbyn, by adopting capitalism, I'd discarding his socialist principles entirely.

edit - re: Tony Blair. Blair was on the right of the social democratic spectrum. Corbyn is on the left of it.

[alfie sherwood]

That's your opinion. I would look to Germany, Switzerland and Scandinavia as prime examples of social democracy. I don't see any of what Corbyn proposes as social democracy. For example, He is proposing rent controls.

Why is it whenever Corbyn says something that goes against his supporters interpretation - in this case reopening the mines - it is dismissed because it is 'not policy'.

Joe Public isn't interested if the railways are in private or Gov ownership, it's a case of how much does my journey cost, is the train on time, is the train fit for public service or is it a pig sty, will i have to put up with a 3 hour journey of pissed up idiots swearing at the top of their voices and generally acting the idiot.

My concern with you Feedback is, and I might be wrong, you come across as closed to the idea of public ownership ever being a good thing. Why not take the pragmatic view and realise that there are both private and public bodies that both succeed and fail?

[Feedback]

That's your opinion. I would look to Germany, Switzerland and Scandinavia as prime examples of social democracy. I don't see any of what Corbyn proposes as social democracy. For example, He is proposing rent controls.

Why is it whenever Corbyn says something that goes against his supporters interpretation - in this case reopening the mines - it is dismissed because it is 'not policy'.

Joe Public isn't interested if the railways are in private or Gov ownership, it's a case of how much does my journey cost, is the train on time, is the train fit for public service or is it a pig sty, will i have to put up with a 3 hour journey of pissed up idiots swearing at the top of their voices and generally acting the idiot.

Reopening the mines, would/could never be done after politicians telling us how important the ozone layer is for years and years.

We had the public sector try Hinchingbrooke Hospital and we have the private sector and both failed in delivering a service within set parameters. The point is there is no right or wrong although I would say that for public services you need a good balance of private sector efficiency and public sector efficacy. The issue the UK has with its politics is that its quite immature - its either one way or the other but no middle ground.

[ragbone]

The German social democratic model would have a better chance of being transferable to our electorate than Corbyn's social model, which in my view would not cost in and drive undecided voters further into the Tory arms , surely we don't want to end up in another recession due to overspending as a consequence of these social minded projects, and calls for nationalistion of services.

I'm sure Jeremy is a good man with a big heart and some of his views I can concur with , however the world is a very different place commercially than those of social driven ideals of the past , his election will result in a very long term Conservative period in power, which is very unfortunate and worrying, as they will swing more to to the right as they gain bigger majorities.

A worried modern thinking socialist