Reply With QuoteList of Western Bloc defectors to the Soviet Bloc - and it is quite a long one:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Western_Bloc_defecto rs
I hope that this upsets you and makes you cry. I've got a Masters in Psychology by the way, Narcisso.
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people will do anything to escape the tyranny of socialism and communism. this is one such brave attempt where 4 young Germans had to risk their lives totally unnecessarily just to live in freedom. Clearly their stories aren't unique - young and old have always tried to escape the clutches of socialist and communist regimes since the USSR came into being in the early 20th century.
List of Western Bloc defectors to the Soviet Bloc - and it is quite a long one:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Western_Bloc_defecto rs
I hope that this upsets you and makes you cry. I've got a Masters in Psychology by the way, Narcisso.
*the mccarthy communist witch-hunts in the USA in the 1950s were a disgrace to any modern democratic society. Whilst such ideologies are abhorrent, people should be free to belieev in such ideologies if they so choose as long as they don't impact anyone elseOriginally Posted by blue sky wrote on Sat, 23 January 2016 18:05
Maybe then you will think twice about posting such naive claptrap.List of Western Bloc defectors to the Soviet Bloc - and it is quite a long one:
you will therefore have to explain how your two examples come close to showing the West was as oppressive as the East. I'm all earsList of Western Bloc defectors to the Soviet Bloc - and it is quite a long one:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Western_Bloc_defecto rs
Once again conveniently forgetting the difference between libertarian and oppression is not a left right axis thing. The oppressive characteristics you highlight apply equally to right wing dictatorships. In fact, whilst it is possible to have libertarian socialism, libertarian fascism is unheard of. In fact, oppression and the far right go hand in hand.List of Western Bloc defectors to the Soviet Bloc - and it is quite a long one:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Western_Bloc_defecto rsI hope that this upsets you and makes you cry. I've got a Masters in Psychology by the way, Narcisso.
I've not forgotten anything but thanks all the same. I'm well aware that far right and far left are two sides of the same coin - they both wish to suppress political free will through the use of force. There is little difference between fascism, nazsim, socialism or communism. All are abhorrent ideologies and seek to deny freedoms and libertiesList of Western Bloc defectors to the Soviet Bloc - and it is quite a long one:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Western_Bloc_defecto rsI hope that this upsets you and makes you cry. I've got a Masters in Psychology by the way, Narcisso.The west generally didn't attempt to enforce its ideology (see below) on its subjects
I suggested that you read up on the two subjects because they have been instrumental in shaping western public opinion in favour of capitalism for the past century.List of Western Bloc defectors to the Soviet Bloc - and it is quite a long one:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Western_Bloc_defecto rsI hope that this upsets you and makes you cry. I've got a Masters in Psychology by the way, Narcisso.
Have you not got any fresh ideas to troll about? Subjects that you have not already done to death a dozen times?List of Western Bloc defectors to the Soviet Bloc - and it is quite a long one:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Western_Bloc_defecto rsI hope that this upsets you and makes you cry. I've got a Masters in Psychology by the way, Narcisso.The west generally didn't attempt to enforce its ideology (see below) on its subjectsI suggest that you read up on Edward Louis Bernays and then the Tavistock Institute.
What would you say the differences are between capitalism today and from 19th century.List of Western Bloc defectors to the Soviet Bloc - and it is quite a long one:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Western_Bloc_defecto rsI hope that this upsets you and makes you cry. I've got a Masters in Psychology by the way, Narcisso.The west generally didn't attempt to enforce its ideology (see below) on its subjects
why is this trolling? Am I not free to post what I like or do you wish to exercise control over who and what can be posted?So predictable it is boring.why bother responding then?One interaction and you have already twisted my words to make out I have said something I have not. You are also trying to rewrite the accepted definitions of the political spectrum.
I do not wish to control what anyone posts. I just miss the old days when new and interesting debates used to be had. Feel free to go over the same tedious ground as much as you like.
The debates have never been new or interesting. They are always a rehash of the left v right debate.
Only the ones you turn that way. Glad you accept that even you do not find the threads you start are interesting.I do not wish to control what anyone posts. I just miss the old days when new and interesting debates used to be had. Feel free to go over the same tedious ground as much as you like.
Are you really glad?I do not wish to control what anyone posts. I just miss the old days when new and interesting debates used to be had. Feel free to go over the same tedious ground as much as you like.The debates have never been new or interesting. They are always a rehash of the left v right debate.
this is worth a watch. it shows the differences of living under a capitalist and socialist system. one is described as drab, grey, colourless, mistrusting...
Socialism is like like religion ,it only works on the weak.
Good to see you are using up to date evidence. Bloody activists...
It's contemporaneous rather than current. It's best to get a feel from those who lived there at the time rather than scholars looking back with a hint of political biasthis is worth a watch. it shows the differences of living under a capitalist and socialist system. one is described as drab, grey, colourless, mistrusting...
You're confusing socialism and communism. Hope that helps.
East Germany and the SDP were very much socialist and not communist like the anarcho syndicalist soviets of the USSR
Yet socialism plays a stronger role in countries like Sweden and Norway (yes I know these aren't socialist countries as sometimes wrongly portrayed), countries that are far stronger than the UK.You're confusing socialism and communism. Hope that helps.
The nordic countries do it well as does Switzerland and the old West Germany.You're confusing socialism and communism. Hope that helps.East Germany and the SDP were very much socialist and not communist like the anarcho syndicalist soviets of the USSR
Yet you're a fan of the Tories? They're about as far removed from your ideals as you can get.You're confusing socialism and communism. Hope that helps.East Germany and the SDP were very much socialist and not communist like the anarcho syndicalist soviets of the USSRYet socialism plays a stronger role in countries like Sweden and Norway (yes I know these aren't socialist countries as sometimes wrongly portrayed), countries that are far stronger than the UK.
I'm a fan of smaller less intrusive state but that's about itYou're confusing socialism and communism. Hope that helps.East Germany and the SDP were very much socialist and not communist like the anarcho syndicalist soviets of the USSRYet socialism plays a stronger role in countries like Sweden and Norway (yes I know these aren't socialist countries as sometimes wrongly portrayed), countries that are far stronger than the UK.I am an exponent of the social market economic model with little state involvement, a free market but high taxation to promote wealth equality.
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